Scunthorpe - back from the lame

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by sandman » 13 Dec 2009 14:26

When he runs up against a strong defender, like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by winchester_royal » 13 Dec 2009 14:29

sandman When he runs like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.


Untwist your knickers FFS. It's just an internet message board.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Ian Royal » 13 Dec 2009 14:34

Henry is an enigma for me. He seems to have all the right attributes to be playing on the right in our 4-5-1-cum-whatever-it-is formation. But he hasn't been played there at all this season from what I can tell. He was was played through the middle.

He's an attacking forward with skill and the ability to cross who has an eye for goal. Exactly what you want in a wide player when you have one up front.

Yet there are question marks about his attitude and his quality at this level.

I think the situation with Henry, Mooney and Davies is totally indicative of Rodgers poor handling of his squad and selection methods.

He seems to be falling into th etrap of trying to pick the best individual players, talentwise or just for a specific game. Well we have plenty of good players, but they simply aren't good enough in isolation to win games.

We need to be picking the best team. The partnerships that complement each other best and work best with whatever formation is picked.

That isn't happening.

We're trying to play a formation with the wrong people in it. Pearce and Ivar can't play together and keep cleansheets, because they are both too slow. Tabb has been outstanding playing wherever he's asked, but he's not a right back and his left footedness out there has cost us goals.

Kebe can't play in a forward three because he couldn't score to save his life most of the time and has a tendency to be totally powderpuff. McAnuff, isn't a great finisher either, but at least he's putting chances on a plate for Rasiak to bury 1 in 4 or 5.

Siggurdsson is a revelation, but he's still very young and there is far too much pressure on his shoulders as one of two players fit who can score and one of two players who can get assists regularly.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Ian Royal » 13 Dec 2009 14:36

On HRK I think he has all the best attributes of Kebe and very few of the worst. He just needs games. I'd be happy to see him get a run in the side. He's got two assists already this season double Kebe, in just over a third of the playing time.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Royalee » 13 Dec 2009 14:48

sandman When he runs up against a strong defender, like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.


Robson-Kanu's much stronger than Kebe, holds the ball far better and has better delivery, as we saw with yesterday's assist and also the whipped cross from the left minutes later which Rasiak slid at and kicked himself for not connecting with. Their body shape is totally different (for one thing Robson-Kanu is left footed and Kebe is right footed) and Robson-Kanu runs with his head up far more and uses his strength.


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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by sandman » 13 Dec 2009 14:49

Racism is a disgusting thing and should in no way be tolerated. I've criticised the club before for not giving an accurate representation of rich mix of diversity we have in the town.When they got a group of children to walk the "Kick Racism Out"campaign flag around the stadium and didn't include anyone from a different ethnic origin for instance.

I work for a charity that gives furniture, bedding and kitchenware to people who have come to this country with nothing.If I was racist I wouldn't be able to do my job properly. Our van driver is mixed race and someone who I greatly admire for the hurdles he has faced and overcome in his life.

My first Reading hero was Shaka and the abuse he got from fans like Wolves and others was nothing short of disgusting. I even remember one game that was broadcast on ITV in which you could hear Monkey noises and other disgusting things too horrible to mention every time he took a goal kick.

Don't dare call me a racist again.
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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Mad Dog's Ghost » 13 Dec 2009 14:51

No idea how he'll turn out but thought kanu was decent yesterday. Deserved the fans' reception.

From what I've seen of Henry, he looks quite slow for a winger. And doesn't really have the skill to make up for that. Hopefully he'll come good though.

Has to be better than Kebe though. I've had it with watching him. However, it's not really his fault that he keeps getting into the side.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by sandman » 13 Dec 2009 14:59

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sandman When he runs like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.


Untwist your knickers FFS. It's just an internet message board.


You don't tag someone with racism and then say it's only a message board. It's a serious allegation in any arena. I'd like an apology but won't hold my breath.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Row Z Royal » 13 Dec 2009 15:07

Ian Royal Tabb has been outstanding playing wherever he's asked, but he's not a right back and his left footedness out there has cost us goals.



This is the bit where the Tabb fans have a go at you for not actually having seen him play at right back this season.


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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by yappy » 13 Dec 2009 16:06

Robson-Kanu looks a bit of a Dean Morgan to me. Obviously very skillful, but whether he has the quality to cut it at this level consistently, I'm not sure. To be fair to him, he's looked pretty good in the last few games and I would currently have him ahead of Kebe.

Completely agree with Ian Royal's post above (won't quote the whole thing as it'll take up the whole page). The system were playing doesn't seem to suit any of our players. There is alot of reliance of the centre backs being able to pass the ball about, but Pearce and Ivar seem to struggle with some of the most simplest passes. There is alot of reliance on the wingers to provide goals, and as IR pointed out, they don't provide, and we need a striker who can hold up the ball and create chances all by themselves, something all of our current strikers lack.

Find it hard to believe that Rodgers wants us to be a 'passing team' but our inability to pass is all to see. Ivar, Pearce, Cisse, Rasiak and even Matejovsky lose the ball far too often, even with some of the most simplest passes.

Agree that Henry is an enigma, but we've let him out on loan is ridiculous. Yes he's had a couple of bad games (mainly in the cups) but whenever he's played in the league, I think he's looked a good tidy player. If Henry is hit and miss, then what does that make Kebe? Same can be said for Scott Davies, and why we've haven't recalled Mooney when we only had 1 available striker is laughable.

I want to have faith in Rodgers, but we keep making the same mistakes, and why after the horror show defensively against Palace he didn't break up the Ivar/Pearce partnership, I just don't know. If Rodgers wants us to play the way he wants I think O'Dea, Mills, Karacan, Henry would all suit the system better than some of the current lot.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by winchester_royal » 13 Dec 2009 16:21

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sandman When he runs like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.


Untwist your knickers FFS. It's just an internet message board.


You don't tag someone with racism and then say it's only a message board. It's a serious allegation in any arena. I'd like an apology but won't hold my breath.


I'd like a lot of apologies for things that I've been called on here in the past....

That said, racism is not something to joke about, and I am genuinely sorry to tarnish you with it.

Differing opinions is the great thing about sport in general, and many of us on here could improve our conversational etiquette by some distance.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by sandman » 13 Dec 2009 16:24

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I'd like a lot of apologies for things that I've been called on here in the past....

That said, racism is not something to joke about, and I am genuinely sorry to tarnish you with it.

Differing opinions is the great thing about sport in general, and many of us on here could improve our conversational etiquette by some distance.


Thank you.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by FiNeRaIn » 13 Dec 2009 17:08

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sandman When he runs up against a strong defender, like Kebe he looks lightweight when he crosses and shoots his body shape is like Kebe. You don't agree with my view on him so you jump to supposed racism.


Robson-Kanu's much stronger than Kebe, holds the ball far better and has better delivery, as we saw with yesterday's assist and also the whipped cross from the left minutes later which Rasiak slid at and kicked himself for not connecting with. Their body shape is totally different (for one thing Robson-Kanu is left footed and Kebe is right footed) and Robson-Kanu runs with his head up far more and uses his strength.


HRK is ten times better than kebe, no comparison. He needs to be starting every game for the foreseeable future.


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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Ian Royal » 13 Dec 2009 17:31

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Ian Royal Tabb has been outstanding playing wherever he's asked, but he's not a right back and his left footedness out there has cost us goals.



This is the bit where the Tabb fans have a go at you for not actually having seen him play at right back this season.


That would be foolish seeing as I've seen him play there multiple times and watched all the goals we've conceeded on highlights programmes.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Royalee » 13 Dec 2009 17:37

Only goal he's cost us was Moses' second the other night. I wish Ingimarsson had played as well at centre back as Tabb has at right back - we might have a few more points then.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Ian Royal » 13 Dec 2009 17:46

Royalee Only goal he's cost us was Moses' second the other night. I wish Ingimarsson had played as well at centre back as Tabb has at right back - we might have a few more points then.


I doubt anyone on HNA could argue with that sentence.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Row Z Royal » 13 Dec 2009 18:11

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Ian Royal Tabb has been outstanding playing wherever he's asked, but he's not a right back and his left footedness out there has cost us goals.



This is the bit where the Tabb fans have a go at you for not actually having seen him play at right back this season.


That would be foolish seeing as I've seen him play there multiple times and watched all the goals we've conceeded on highlights programmes.


Watch more closely.

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by Royal Lady » 13 Dec 2009 18:14

I think Tabb has played very well, considering he's out of position.

He, McAnuff and Siggy are the three shining lights in an otherwise less than mediocre team imo.

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Southbank Old Boy » 13 Dec 2009 18:19

I would add Bertrand to that list

He isnt as good a defender as Stretch, but he has still defended well, and presumably we wanted a more attacking fullback which is why we got him

Rasiak is also doing the job we bought him in for, its just he happens to be the slowest and most imobile forward in the hoops since trevor

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Re: Scunthorpe - back from the lame

by Royalee » 13 Dec 2009 18:23

Royal Lady I think Tabb has played very well, considering he's out of position.

He, McAnuff and Siggy are the three shining lights in an otherwise less than mediocre team imo.


Bertrand's played well, Pearce has been reasonable, Rasiak's scored 6 goals.

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