Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[NR_Royal]

From what I saw today, Harte fails to mark adequately, is slow and leaves holes in the defence. Yes he set up the goal, but I have no confidence in him as our left-back.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

No doubting Armstrong is a much better defender than Harte. But he doesnt smash in Free Kicks for fun, hit 50 yard passes to feet and create plaenty of chances.

You can make a case for either, but BM clearly thinks we are better off as a whole with Harte playing. So do i.

We ARE going to finish mid table this season and id rather watch a player with Harte's talent, with defensive frailties, than just a solid left back.

[leon]

No doubting Armstrong is a much better defender than Harte. But he doesnt smash in Free Kicks for fun, hit 50 yard passes to feet and create plaenty of chances.

You can make a case for either, but BM clearly thinks we are better off as a whole with Harte playing. So do i.

We ARE going to finish mid table this season and id rather watch a player with Harte's talent, with defensive frailties, than just a solid left back.

we have such a slow defence Harte at left back makes it worse...we are going to carry on getting done

[Snowball]

No doubting Armstrong is a much better defender than Harte. But he doesnt smash in Free Kicks for fun, hit 50 yard passes to feet and create plaenty of chances.

You can make a case for either, but BM clearly thinks we are better off as a whole with Harte playing. So do i.

We ARE going to finish mid table this season and id rather watch a player with Harte's talent, with defensive frailties, than just a solid left back.

Difficult choice but only Harte and Howard really cut out chances. I can think of one by Karacan.

Without both we are back to huff and puff.

Even the brilliant Kebe isn't recently about making chances for others.


Long, for all the criticism, how often does he get service like the goal he put on a plate for Hunt yesterday, the perfect pass for Church v Donny, the set up for Church at Burnley etc? How many WORKED goals and chances are we scoring (like yesterday). Seems we get pens, free-kicks, a few scuffed corners, opposition mistakes, or goals where the scorer made the chance for himself but we like very little genuine creativity. That's why Harte for all his defensive weaknesses, is important to the team.

[Ian Royal]

No doubting Armstrong is a much better defender than Harte. But he doesnt smash in Free Kicks for fun, hit 50 yard passes to feet and create plaenty of chances.

You can make a case for either, but BM clearly thinks we are better off as a whole with Harte playing. So do i.

We ARE going to finish mid table this season and id rather watch a player with Harte's talent, with defensive frailties, than just a solid left back.

Well if Harte was injured we may well see how Armstrong does for us and whether Harte can get back in the team. Harte hasn't really done a great deal to require dropping. But at the same time if he's out for a couple of games and Armstrong does well I don't think he's necessarily done well enough to be brought straight back in.

[Snowball]

Well if Harte was injured we may well see how Armstrong does for us and whether Harte can get back in the team. Harte hasn't really done a great deal to require dropping. But at the same time if he's out for a couple of games and Armstrong does well I don't think he's necessarily done well enough to be brought straight back in.

Apparently the leg's not been right since the Holt tackle that didn't touch him.

[Snowball]

Was looking to see if Actim had been updated (it hasn't) but spotted this


Ian Harte`s move to Reading from Carlisle raised a few eyebrows, but the veteran defender rolled
back the years with a superb display for the Royals in their thrilling 4-3 win against Doncaster.
The former Republic of Ireland international got his name on the scoresheet with Reading`s third
goal and helped himself to 41 points – the seventh highest score overall.

Jem Karacan (18th) and Matt Mills (20th) also made it into the Top 20.


(for the week, obviously)

[Focher]

[Snowball]

Neither of those are Karacan or Mills.

It looks like a still from a movie.

[Gordons Cumming]

Neither of those are Karacan or Mills.

It looks like a still from a movie.

I think you're quite witty.

You shirley can't be getting whooshes all the time.

[Ian Royal]

Neither of those are Karacan or Mills.

It looks like a still from a movie.

I think you're quite witty.

You shirley can't be getting whooshes all the time.

Of course he doesn't get whooshes. And don't call him Shirley.

[Snowball]

Harte should join QPR, he could be one of the youngsters

[Elmer Park]

Almost all McDermott's decisions are positive ones so if Harte is fit to play then I think he will get the nod over Armstrong for the foreseeable future. I am not sure I would make the same decision but I think it is a difficult call.

Harte defensive shortcomings are obvious but to be fair to him he is pretty good in the air considering he isn't the tallest player and that is a useful factor defensively.

[Snowball]

Almost all McDermott's decisions are positive ones so if Harte is fit to play then I think he will get the nod over Armstrong for the foreseeable future. I am not sure I would make the same decision but I think it is a difficult call. Harte defensive shortcomings are obvious but to be fair to him he is pretty good in the air considering he isn't the tallest player and that is a useful factor defensively.

This is the real point. Does anyone doubt that McDermott doesn't see the advantages and disadvantages of various players.

I take the manager's experience and considered judgment of a thousand knee-jerking fans any day

[Royal With Cheese]

I take the manager's experience and considered judgment of a thousand knee-jerking fans any day

This is the manager who thinks the tackle on Harte by Holt wasn't a red card offence?

[Snowball]

I take the manager's experience and considered judgment of a thousand knee-jerking fans any day

This is the manager who thinks the tackle on Harte by Holt wasn't a red card offence?

YES. And your point is?

[Snowball]

A manager sees his players in training every day.

He sees what they can do and cannot do.

He can make long-term and reasoned judgments.


The incident of Harte-Holt is not REMOTELY the same.
Intent is debatable, Harte's actual pain or non-pain is debatable.
There are video-replays that can be watched interminably.
There is also a political element to what the manager says.



And he and I disagree? Shucks! I say Holt should have been sent off IF HE HAD MADE NO CONTACT WITH HARTE WHATSOEVER, because he lifted both feet off the ground and went in studs first. END OF. It is not the result that matters but (a) intent and (b) recklessness.

[RobRoyal]

Almost all McDermott's decisions are positive ones so if Harte is fit to play then I think he will get the nod over Armstrong for the foreseeable future. I am not sure I would make the same decision but I think it is a difficult call. Harte defensive shortcomings are obvious but to be fair to him he is pretty good in the air considering he isn't the tallest player and that is a useful factor defensively.

This is the real point. Does anyone doubt that McDermott doesn't see the advantages and disadvantages of various players.

I take the manager's experience and considered judgment of a thousand knee-jerking fans any day

Then why come on here and debate anything? Team for Leeds: "McDermott will pick the best side available, so we might as well just wait to see what he thinks." Back from the game: "we lost but McDermott did what was best so there's little point in talking about it." New signing: "If there had been any better player available McDermott would have signed him, so this must be the right move."

[Royal With Cheese]

A manager sees his players in training every day.

He sees what they can do and cannot do.

He can make long-term and reasoned judgments.


The incident of Harte-Holt is not REMOTELY the same.
Intent is debatable, Harte's actual pain or non-pain is debatable.
There are video-replays that can be watched interminably.
There is also a political element to what the manager says.



And he and I disagree? Shucks! I say Holt should have been sent off IF HE HAD MADE NO CONTACT WITH HARTE WHATSOEVER, because he lifted both feet off the ground and went in studs first. END OF. It is not the result that matters but (a) intent and (b) recklessness.

I'm not sure there's a political element to what McDermott said about the incident. He's just one in a long list of people who seem to support my view rather than yours.I'm loving your use of END OF by the way.

[Hoop Blah]

Managers also make plenty of mistakes too. They get too reliant and attached on their 'favourite' players and ways of doing things.

To think they don't get it wrong or that things couldn't be improved upon is a slightly warped view of things.