Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

[weybridgewanderer]

and so it starts with all the stupid religion stuff

who has mentioned religion?

[Wax Jacket]

if you're saying the Rangers/Celtic divide isn't along religious lines then we've all wasted a lot of time arguing with an idiot

[weybridgewanderer]

there is a religous divide between Rangers and Celtic, that i do not deny

there is also a great football rivalry, just like there is between saints and pompie, swindon and oxford, tottenham and arsenal, man utd and liverpool, newcastle and sunderland

not every comment we make about each other is to do about religion

if a celtic fan thinks rangers fans are the "worst humans ever" I would hope that was to do with a football rivalry rather than a religious hatred.

[blindedbythelights]

but i'm not a celtic fan and you don't have to be to find Rangers abhorrent

[Deadlock]

A frankly insane statement from a Sevco director:-

A representative from Rangers Unite asked: “What would you see as an exit price?”

Director Imran Ahmad replied: “On a bad day the club is worth £50m.”

So I'll be expecting the creditors to be serving an injunction on the sale sometime this morning, then.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Scottish football slides further towards Banana republic status with the news that the SFL may not let its member clubs decide where to put Rangers, with the board deciding to put them in SFL1.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23905880/

[Alexander Litvinenko]

Scottish football slides further towards Banana republic status with the news that the SFL may not let its member clubs decide where to put Rangers, with the board deciding to put them in SFL1.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23905880/

In England the process is exactly the same - the FA's Leagues Committee decides the best place for new clubs that are a continuation of a previous club to start.

[Barry the bird boggler]

Scottish football slides further towards Banana republic status with the news that the SFL may not let its member clubs decide where to put Rangers, with the board deciding to put them in SFL1.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23905880/

In England the process is exactly the same - the FA's Leagues Committee decides the best place for new clubs that are a continuation of a previous club to start.

Hasn't this sort of thing happened before in Scotland though, e.g. Aidrieonians etc. pretty sure they didn't get demoted but were stuck back in at their previous level....

[Barry the bird boggler]

Have Portsmouth run out of cash (again) yet?

[Mr Angry]

Only 8 first team players turned up for the start of pre-season training today.

[From Despair To Where?]

Scottish football slides further towards Banana republic status with the news that the SFL may not let its member clubs decide where to put Rangers, with the board deciding to put them in SFL1.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23905880/

In England the process is exactly the same - the FA's Leagues Committee decides the best place for new clubs that are a continuation of a previous club to start.

Hasn't this sort of thing happened before in Scotland though, e.g. Aidrieonians etc. pretty sure they didn't get demoted but were stuck back in at their previous level....

Airdrionians went bust, reformed as Airdrie United, Clydebank then also went bust and Airdrie Utd applied and suceeded in taking Clydebank's place in the league. Similar but not quite the same as taking over where the old club left off.

[Deadlock]

Hasn't this sort of thing happened before in Scotland though, e.g. Aidrieonians etc. pretty sure they didn't get demoted but were stuck back in at their previous level....

Airdrionians went bust, reformed as Airdrie United, Clydebank then also went bust and Airdrie Utd applied and suceeded in taking Clydebank's place in the league. Similar but not quite the same as taking over where the old club left off.

Not quite what happened. Clydebank were in administration, and when the Scottish League members voted in Gretna rather than the newly formed Airdrie United the latter bought Clydebank from the administrators, moved the club to Airdrie, renamed it and changed the strip!

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Scottish football slides further towards Banana republic status with the news that the SFL may not let its member clubs decide where to put Rangers, with the board deciding to put them in SFL1.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/s ... -23905880/

In England the process is exactly the same - the FA's Leagues Committee decides the best place for new clubs that are a continuation of a previous club to start.

It's not exactly the same at all.

The SFL rules state that new clubs must start at the bottom of the league, and anything "extraordinary" has to be voted on by the member clubs. Both rules will have been bypassed due to a sudden and unilateral decision by the board to not listen to the member clubs.

As the Raith Rovers chairman said "are we going to apply the rules, or make it up as we go along?"


English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

[Mr Angry]

I doubt if any newly formed team has begun in one of the main 4 divisions since before the 1st World War (a number of teams - Chelsea included) went straight into the Football League when they were first formed; some older teams, including us and Spurs, stayed in the Southern League.

The loophole exploited by Winkelman in the case of MK Dons has been closed now, so there are absolutely no precedents in England that Rangers - or more pertinently, the SFL - can point to in justfying parachuting Newco straight into SFL 1; they are so obviously doing it for financial considerations only, it makes the running of Scottish football a complete and utter joke - no integrity, no embarrasment and no shame.

[Alexander Litvinenko]

English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

Not any more they don't - that's the point. It used to be that they'd start right at the bottom, Like AFCW, FCUM, Halifax & Scarborough did, but over recent years that view has changed - if they genuinely are "a continuation of a former club" they'll be allocated the most appropriate starting league by the FA Committee.

Chester FC started in Northern Premier League Division One North, after appealing the FA's original decision that they should start in the North West Counties League. A phoenix Portsmouth would probably start in Conference South, maybe Conference national.

[Mr Angry]

English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

Not any more they don't - that's the point. It used to be that they'd start right at the bottom, Like AFCW, FCUM, Halifax & Scarborough did, but over recent years that view has changed - if they genuinely are "a continuation of a former club" they'll be allocated the most appropriate starting league by the FA Committee.

Chester FC started in Northern Premier League Division One North, after appealing the FA's original decision that they should start in the North West Counties League. A phoenix Portsmouth would probably start in Conference South, maybe Conference national.

But there is no way if, say, Birmingham were to go bust this season, the Newco Birmingham would go straight into the Championship for 2013/14. They would start below Conference level, probably Conference South.

And thats the point about Rangers; the impression given is that the football authorities in Scotland are doing everything they can to limit the damage to their finances by throwing out any notion of sporting integrity and common sense by trying to allow Rangers Newco to start as high up the League structure as possible. It seems to be saying to Scottish football that it doesn't matter what shenanighans the Old Firm get up to, we need them more than they need us.

In other words, all the other clubs in Scotland are merely bit part players to the Celtic/Rangers show. And in that case, what is the point of Scottish football?

[Alexander Litvinenko]

English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

Not any more they don't - that's the point. It used to be that they'd start right at the bottom, Like AFCW, FCUM, Halifax & Scarborough did, but over recent years that view has changed - if they genuinely are "a continuation of a former club" they'll be allocated the most appropriate starting league by the FA Committee.

Chester FC started in Northern Premier League Division One North, after appealing the FA's original decision that they should start in the North West Counties League. A phoenix Portsmouth would probably start in Conference South, maybe Conference national.

But there is no way if, say, Birmingham were to go bust this season, the Newco Birmingham would go straight into the Championship for 2013/14. They would start below Conference level, probably Conference South.

And thats the point about Rangers; the impression given is that the football authorities in Scotland are doing everything they can to limit the damage to their finances by throwing out any notion of sporting integrity and common sense by trying to allow Rangers Newco to start as high up the League structure as possible. It seems to be saying to Scottish football that it doesn't matter what shenanighans the Old Firm get up to, we need them more than they need us.

In other words, all the other clubs in Scotland are merely bit part players to the Celtic/Rangers show. And in that case, what is the point of Scottish football?

Agreed - but that's what you get when you allow your football to be organised for the few rather than for the many.

[Wimb]

Pompy return to training with 8 players... look forward to seeing this farce play out.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

Not any more they don't - that's the point. It used to be that they'd start right at the bottom, Like AFCW, FCUM, Halifax & Scarborough did, but over recent years that view has changed - if they genuinely are "a continuation of a former club" they'll be allocated the most appropriate starting league by the FA Committee.

Chester FC started in Northern Premier League Division One North, after appealing the FA's original decision that they should start in the North West Counties League. A phoenix Portsmouth would probably start in Conference South, maybe Conference national.

Nope, since Chester & Halifax, Phoenix clubs start no higher than Step 5.

[weybridgewanderer]

English re-reformed clubs always start at feeder league level anyway - where there isn't direct automatic promotion and relegation.

So what happened with Leeds, why did Leeds United Football Club Limited, formed on May 1st 2007, start in League 1 rather than some feeder league?

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06233875

The old club, Leeds United Association Football Club Limited, formed in 1920, liquidated

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00170600