The Non - League thread

[Royalist]

First time i've managed to see Windsor FC 2.0 bit of tweaking, fitness and getting to know each players game and a settled side and results will come. It's such a poor level a bit of organisation and you will pick up results. Just makes me shake my head at last season even more!

[Tony Le Mesmer]

bit of tweaking, fitness and getting to know each players game and a settled side and results will come.

True, but those are the exactly the things you aren't going to get with a zero budget. Players have less motivation to train and those that do will soon be on their way. The team will be anything but settled.

[Four Of Clubs]

... here's the round-up of yesterday's 'local' NL league matches -

Saturday 29 Sep 2012
CONF
Woking 2-3 Tamworth
CONFS
AFC Hornchurch 1-1 Farnborough
Bath City 0-0 Boreham Wood
Billericay 1-3 Basingstoke
Bromley 1-1 Havant and W
Chelmsford 3-2 Truro City
Dorchester 2-1 Welling
Dover 2-0 Maidenhead Utd
Eastleigh 3-1 Hayes & Yeading
Staines Town 3-2 Salisbury
Tonbridge Angels 1-1 Sutton Utd
Weston-S-Mare 3-2 Eastbourne Borough
CONFN
Oxford City 0-3 Guiseley

SOUTH1C
AFC Hayes 6-0 Beaconsfield SYCOB

CCLP
Bedfont Sports 3-2 Camberley Town
Chessington & Hook United 1-4 Guernsey
Colliers Wood United 4-2 Hanworth Villa
Cove 2-4 Badshot Lea
Dorking 2-3 Farnham Town
Egham Town 3-0 Epsom & Ewell
Hartley Wintney 2-2 Raynes Park Vale
Sandhurst Town 1-6 Molesey
South Park 2-1 Ash United
Wembley 2-0 Croydon
Windsor 1-2 Horley Town
CCL1
Banstead Athletic 1-1 Knaphill
CB Hounslow United 3-4 Epsom Athletic
Cobham 0-7 Worcester Park
Frimley Green 5-0 Farleigh Rovers
Spelthorne Sports 2-3 South Kilburn
Staines Lammas 0-4 Mole Valley SCR
Westfield 3-2 Feltham
Premier Challenge Cup R2
Eversley & California 2-3 AFC Croydon Athletic

HELLP
Ardley United 1-2 Newbury
Binfield 2-3 Oxford City Nomads
Highmoor Ibis 0-5 Cheltenham Saracens
Highworth Town 0-3 Reading Town
Marlow 2-0 Slimbridge
HELL1E
Finchampstead {EIGHT} 8-0 Milton United

The 'Bluefin Sports' Challenge Cup 1st Round
001 AFC Hinksey 2-3 Wokingham & Emmbrook
002 Chalfont Wasps 4-2 Carterton
003 Chinnor 1-3 Flackwell Heath
004 Clanfield 2-1 aet Purton
005 Cricklade Town 4-2 Ascot United
006 Easington Sports 3-2 Fairford Town
007 Hook Norton 4-5 aet Headington Amateurs
008 Kidlington 3-1 Maidenhead United Res
009 Lambourn Sports 3-2 aet Holyport
010 Letcombe 1-3 Thame United
011 Malmesbury Victoria 1-2 aet Penn & Tylers
012 Thatcham Town Res 3-0 New College Swindon
013 Wantage Town 2-0 Wootton Bassett Town
014 Witney Town 3-2 Bracknell Town
015 Woodley Town 0-1 aet Abingdon Town

WESSP
Alton Town 2-4 GE Hamble
WESS1 (clearly the division for goals – yesterdays 10 league games saw an aggregate of 69 goals)
Andover New Street 2-0 Ringwood Town
East Cowes Victoria 1-3 Whitchurch United
Fleet Spurs 5-2 United Services Portsmouth
Stockbridge 3-4 Petersfield Town
Tadley Calleva 5-2 Amesbury Town
Team Solent 4-1 Pewsey Vale

[Royalist]

Yep you a quite right that no budget does cause those issues but alot of sides in the league are in the same boat. I'm guessing Windsor are selling the pitch and bigger than most in the league crowd to get people in and to stay. That said the crowd has dropped dramatically from a few years ago and as soon as the side is picking up wins they need to do one of those free ticket days

[AthleticoSpizz]

Reading Town on a bit of a role right now, seemingly following the hasty return of Graham Lewis from Marlow

[Royalist]

Do you think clubs playing on Monday nights actually has any positive effect be that on or off the pitch? Clearly windsor went with Monday K/O's with a strong squad and fitter than most in the league so i guess it wouldn't of been as negative as i think it might be for a bunch of players cobbled together. No time for training sessions between games etc. I can see why clubs may want to do it on champions league nights but when QPR who have a decent following in Windsor and West Ham are on the telly aswell i doubt many floating voters will bother

[Four Of Clubs]

... Stag Meadow last night (Mon 1st) they were beaten in the League Cup 1-2 by Colliers Wood.

Attendance reportedly 94 - 1-0 up 1st half (Lazarczuk ?) conceded 2 quick goals in the last 15'.

Elesewhere in the B&B Cup - Hungerford lost 204 @ Beaconsfield SYCOB

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Not many NL games on this midweek apart from full programme in the Conference South incl:

Basingstoke v Bromley
Maidenhead v AFC Hornchurch - might pop along
Farnborough v Eastleigh

few more B&B Cup & Trophy ties - Flackwell v Marlow looks lively; Thatcham v Burnham

Ash v Sandhurst in the Southern Combination Cup.

Newbury @ Thame in the Hellenic Prem league &
Hartey Wintney away @ Bedfont Sports in the CCLP

[Royal Rother]

Shame for the young Windsor lads last night (again). Played pretty well but strength and lack of experience was the undoing again.

Royalist, FWIW, the reason initialy given for Monday nights was to avoid clashes with European football games and other non-league games thus attracting more ground-hoppers. Interesting point you make though because again, there were loads of changes from the team that turned out on Saturday, and that seems to be a recurring theme. May well be because of the age of the players. It would be a big ask for our 16/17 year old full back to play 2 games in 3 days against grown men.

Lazarczuk's goal was a worldy. We won't see a better goal than that this season.

[Royalist]

Not sure if you can change set midweek days in the middle of a season but clearly its not bringing in the fans only 94 last night. Granted it was a cup game but its not as if its bringing in huge numbers to offset the lack of time to prepare a young side.

[Royal Rother]

When we played Spelthorne Sports in the 2nd round last season at home, the crowd was 104, and they brought loads (well, several!) more than Colliers Wood did last night, plus there were no Premier League matches on the TV that night.

I'd therefore suggest that despite the extended losing run we are actually getting a level of support that is better than might have been expected.

Stick that in yer pipe Mr Misery.

[Royalist]

Its still hardly bringing in others though is what i meant which is the whole purpose of moving to Mondays! Worth a go to see what would happen. Not enough non league sides take risks to see what would happen if x y or z happened. I know some people have even wondered out loud about moving saturday home games to friday nights whilst i don't think Windsor is the right club for that, Scotty the Stag is in bed by evening, i think some other local clubs should give it a go and if promoted correctly it could bring in fans who are busy watching league football on Saturday nights

[Royal Rother]

But Royalist, the average gate in 2011/12 went up from the last season of W&E, even excluding the 802 v Egham so it seems reasonable to assume that the Monday night policy DID work.

You just have to accept that 94 for a piddly Cup Competition 1st Round is not bad at this level. I can assure you it won't be bettered by many other 1st round matches.

It would be interesting to compare the W&E Tuesday night gates with the 2011/12 Monday night gates. Maybe I'll do that if I get bored one day.

[Royalist]

Should make it clear i'm just wondering if the benefit of Monday night gates are worth having a young side play 2 games in 3 days

[Hoop Blah]

But Royalist, the average gate in 2011/12 went up from the last season of W&E...

Why does that matter? I thought you said the two clubs weren't related in anyway?

[Compo's Hat]

Looking like it'll be Truro's last game tonight.

[Royalist]

For Truro read Guernsey in a few years unless there is loads of money for year after year after year after year they will come unstuck.

[Royal Rother]

But Royalist, the average gate in 2011/12 went up from the last season of W&E...

Why does that matter? I thought you said the two clubs weren't related in anyway?

It doesn't "matter" in the slightest smart arse, but it does offer a relevant stat in the context of the discussion.

[Royal Rother]

For Truro read Guernsey in a few years unless there is loads of money for year after year after year after year they will come unstuck.

Their model may not work long-term but Guernsey don't pay their players who are all island based so there's a massive difference to the Truro model which was reliant on signing the best players they could attract, supported by a sugar daddy.

[Hoop Blah]

But Royalist, the average gate in 2011/12 went up from the last season of W&E...

Why does that matter? I thought you said the two clubs weren't related in anyway?

It doesn't "matter" in the slightest smart arse, but it does offer a relevant stat in the context of the discussion.

Sorry, just didn't understand the relevance of comparing attendances for two clubs that aren't (apparently) really related.

[Royalist]

I think the ties to the old club, bar the ground and fans, are nearly gone now! Keith Scott era Windsor FC that would be a valid comment.