Where was Guthrie again?!

[AirRaidSiren]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

[leon]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe if Adkins plays him 3/3 he might be able to exert some influence over a game.

[floyd__streete]

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe some people have more of a memory than you, Goldfish. Plenty of Goldfish on here though, so you are a small fish in a big pond.

Played 2 out of 2, remind me how well we have done in those games?

What was that quote from Guthrie - 'we have a new manager and it is better already'; well not from where I have been sitting it isn't, these last 2 games have probably been the most lamentable of the season so far. If Adkins is worth his salt then he will be using these games to work out who is worth keeping hold of next season; Guthrie has shown his worth on these consecutive Saturdays.

[Hoop Blah]

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe some people have more of a memory than you, Goldfish. Plenty of Goldfish on here though, so you are a small fish in a big pond.

Played 2 out of 2, remind me how well we have done in those games?

What was that quote from Guthrie - 'we have a new manager and it is better already'; well not from where I have been sitting it isn't, these last 2 games have probably been the most lamentable of the season so far. If Adkins is worth his salt then he will be using these games to work out who is worth keeping hold of next season; Guthrie has shown his worth on these consecutive Saturdays.

It was extremely disappointing the way we caved in yesterday but I don't think the overall performance was as bad as against Spurs at home, Sunderland away, both Villa games and especially Wigan! You'd need a memory like a goldfish to forget how bad they were!

The season is over though, it has been since we failed to turn up for the last two home games that cost McDermott his job. We know it and it looks like the players know it too, so there's some context to why they look to give up as soon as things go against them now.

As for Guthrie, well I think he played pretty well yesterday.

[winchester_royal]

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe some people have more of a memory than you, Goldfish. Plenty of Goldfish on here though, so you are a small fish in a big pond.

Played 2 out of 2, remind me how well we have done in those games?

What was that quote from Guthrie - 'we have a new manager and it is better already'; well not from where I have been sitting it isn't, these last 2 games have probably been the most lamentable of the season so far. If Adkins is worth his salt then he will be using these games to work out who is worth keeping hold of next season; Guthrie has shown his worth on these consecutive Saturdays.

So we should have expected Danny Guthrie to lead us to victory in the last 2 games? We should have expected him to create goals for strikers who aren't quick enough mentally or physically to find space? We should have expected him to track every runner from the opposition that our inept defense lost? Remarkable.

To win games in this league you need 8 or 9 players to have a good game. Just because we lost it doesn't mean that Guthrie had a bad game, nor does it mean that he can't be part of a successful team.

Guthrie's attitude was what most impressed me yesterday, put himself about more than anyone else and created two of our best opportunities. It looks as if Adkins might be able to get the best out of him, and given it's unlikely anyone will be coming in for Danny during the summer he will be a very useful cog in what will hopefully be a slick machine next year.

Akpan was injured, and Guthrie was knackered, so criticism of Nige's substitution is also unwarranted.

[Snowball]

Guthrie and HRK were our stand-out players in the first half closely followed by Gunter
and some of the passing was excellent. There were some brave back-heels
and things that no player would have dreamt of trying under Brian. The one
lovely three man move that put Gunter free was absolutely lovely and shows
that the players CAN do it and WILL do it, once the confidence returns.

Guthrie played very well and showed his class. If he stays with us next season
he will easily be in the Championship's top ten players. HRK is going to be excellent
next year, also.


What was noticeable yesterday was that the team was very young, and, as said,
despite another loss (to a very good, still improving, side W8-D8-L5 = 32 points
their last 21 games, the future looks bright if we keep Adkins

[Snowball]

I missed a draw.

Saints are 9th in the form table for 2013

Their last 22 games have yielded 33 points, equivalent to a 57-point season

W8 D9 L5

[AirRaidSiren]

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe some people have more of a memory than you, Goldfish. Plenty of Goldfish on here though, so you are a small fish in a big pond.

Played 2 out of 2, remind me how well we have done in those games?

What was that quote from Guthrie - 'we have a new manager and it is better already'; well not from where I have been sitting it isn't, these last 2 games have probably been the most lamentable of the season so far. If Adkins is worth his salt then he will be using these games to work out who is worth keeping hold of next season; Guthrie has shown his worth on these consecutive Saturdays.

We'll see. I put money on it he will start all games up until the end of the season. I gather Adkins see's potential in Guthrie, so did McDermott before the season started.

I honestly don't know what game you were watching yesterday if you think Guthrie was that bad.

Also, I do recall their being eleven players on the pitch and you seem to pick on the one, yet again, Guthrie made the scapegoat.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Second most accurate passer on the pitch statistically. Put in the second most number of crosses, first in most number of accurate crosses, and most killer passes.

Didn't seem to make much of a memorable impact from my view, but if the stats are right on who scored it would seem unfair to single him out as a bad performer.

Though of course I am his mum ROFL

[royal_ross]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief, as soon as ledge came on, same old same old. hoof hoof, no tracking back and just strolls about, does anyone know if that guy actually breaks into a sweat

Nothing to do with the fact we were losing, shot of confidence and panicking then? But if you wanna blame Ledge for that go for it.

[Rollerbob]

Didn't think Guthrie played badly, nor particularly well tbh (nobody really played particularly well imo).

Plus, to be fair to Mr. Leigertwood, I thought he did okay when he came on. Much improvement.

[Hoop Blah]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

The only thing he did? If that's your honest assessment of his performance then you should probably just stop wasting your time and money watching a sport you've got no idea about.

[Jaytee]

Don't think anyone has doubts about the ability of Guthrie - he is a Premier League player. However his body language at times was poor, and I suspect he is not popular in the dressing room either. He obviously thinks he is so much better than the rest of the team and the fact that no other clubs want him, leads me to believe that he was not the best buy. I would get rid as he won't like it in then Championship.

[Sanguine]

Don't think anyone has doubts about the ability of Guthrie - he is a Premier League player. However his body language at times was poor, and I suspect he is not popular in the dressing room either. He obviously thinks he is so much better than the rest of the team and the fact that no other clubs want him, leads me to believe that he was not the best buy. I would get rid as he won't like it in then Championship.

Like at Newcastle, you mean, when he made 43 appearances in their relegated side?

[RoyalBlue]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

Are you talking about the incident in front of the East Stand in the second half? If so, you are very dishonestly altering what actually happened. Gunter picked up the ball and Guthrie made a quick move towards him calling for a quick throw to his feet. Gunter hesitated, their man picked up Guthrie and the opportunity was lost. At which point Guthrie did look annoyed. However, having turned away 'in disgust' he then made a run back off around his marker and got into another good position to receive the ball. IIRC, Gunter then did throw the ball to him.

[Woodcote Royal]

You are still bitter about what went on last year?

Get over yourself.

He can't be that much of a bad boy if Adkins is playing him 2/2 games.

Maybe some people have more of a memory than you, Goldfish. Plenty of Goldfish on here though, so you are a small fish in a big pond.

Played 2 out of 2, remind me how well we have done in those games?

What was that quote from Guthrie - 'we have a new manager and it is better already'; well not from where I have been sitting it isn't, these last 2 games have probably been the most lamentable of the season so far. If Adkins is worth his salt then he will be using these games to work out who is worth keeping hold of next season; Guthrie has shown his worth on these consecutive Saturdays.

Absolutely, and he'll know now that, next season, we'll be better off with two hoofing central midfielders, two strikers and no Guthrie.

Of course, it doesn't have to be like that; Stick Jobi in the centre (who is no less creative, can defend and is clearly fitter than the younger and vastly over paid Guthrie ) and give young Obita his chance on the wing.

On the other hand, he could go for someone in the Sigurdsson/Ince mold (forget signing our former player, sadly) who would be worth dropping a striker for.

Guthrie has done little this season to show that this would apply to him even in the second tier.

[melonhead]

showed his premiere league ability, but also showed his lack of mental strength on saturday.
once they scored he couldnt be arsed.


now it may be that the entire rest of his team arent good enough and this upsets him. but to have a bit of a huff every time things go wrong is terrible attitude for a footballer. imo

[Jano]

once they scored he couldnt be arsed.

That kinda goes for the whole team though.

[Tony Le Mesmer]

I dont understand why Guthrie gets all the grief

I do. The only notable thing he has done so far is refuse to play. Today he won a throw deep in their half. Gunter got the ball to take a quick throw to Guthrie, but what did he do? Just walked away, back to Gunter, head down and moping. Utterly unexcuseable. He was subbed a minute later as it didnt go unoticed on the bench.

Can't wait for this fcking disgrace of a player to leave the club.

Are you talking about the incident in front of the East Stand in the second half? If so, you are very dishonestly altering what actually happened. Gunter picked up the ball and Guthrie made a quick move towards him calling for a quick throw to his feet. Gunter hesitated, their man picked up Guthrie and the opportunity was lost. At which point Guthrie did look annoyed. However, having turned away 'in disgust' he then made a run back off around his marker and got into another good position to receive the ball. IIRC, Gunter then did throw the ball to him.

Sorry that is total rubbish. I was sitting 10 rows from the from of Y19 and so it all thank you. He was subbed a minute later, that says it all. But even If he did turn away in disgust that just reinforces what a total w@nker the bloke is. Players like that have no place at this club and the team will achieve absolutely nothing with him in it.

[Hoop Blah]

Not sure how much you can read into the body language of any player. Some just have a disinterested looking gait. McAnuff has had the same criticism leveled at him, as did Glen Little for a lot of his career and Chris Waddle before him.

Some would say that Legiertwood looks the same way at times but really it's just people looking for an excuse to have a pop at a player.