Premier League 'B' Teams to join Pyramid?

[Sutekh]

Stupid idea. All you need to do is cap the number of foreigners ( non English ) in clubs starting 11s to 5 so that means on the field of play there must always be at least 6 English players (the definition of English being, born in England or having an English parent) in any one side.

Unfortunately I think the EU may have something to say about that.

Technically similar EU arguments could be levied against transfer windows but that carries on.

[Green]

Hmm, good point.

LUX?

[Hoop Blah]

Technically similar EU arguments could be levied against transfer windows but that carries on.

I think they might come up short because the transfer window doesn't stop clubs buying players or the restraint of trade, it just stops them playing them until the next window.

They also don't differentiate by nationality which might be the biggest obstacle to the rule.

[Green]

Technically similar EU arguments could be levied against transfer windows but that carries on.

I think they might come up short because the transfer window doesn't stop clubs buying players or the restraint of trade, it just stops them playing them until the next window.

Don't reckon that'd stand up in court, a player could argue a club won't sign him because they can't play him - thus trade is restricted.

[Hoop Blah]

Quite possibly. I think they could probably throw in the lack of appearance, win, goal, clean sheet and other performance related pay to back that up too.

[ZacNaloen]

They can do this by just having the system work from the bottom up. Always seemed a nonsense that top clubs could hoover up all the talent.

Either relax loan rules for clubs with "special relationships" to develop players, or just have those lower league clubs develop the players with FA Funding and the then if they are good enough premier league etc buys them. Thus continuing funding.

[Brum Royal]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27327502

FA commission: New four-point plan to boost England football
The creation of a new tier within the Football League to accommodate Premier League B teams is at the heart of the Football Association commission's four-point plan to boost English football.

The review also calls for a ban on non-EU players outside of the top flight and a reduction in non-home-grown players in Premier League squads.

It also wants to develop "strategic loan partnerships" between clubs.

The suggestions come as a response to a lack of available English talent.

In the 2012-13 Premier League season, only 32% of starters qualified to play for England, compared to 69% 20 years ago.

The commission's exhaustive review, headed up by FA chairman Greg Dyke, sets an "ambitious but realistic" target of increasing the number of English players in the Premier League to 45% by 2022.

The report states: "There should be 90 English players playing over 50% of minutes in the Premier League compared with 66 today - of these 30 should be playing in the top six teams in the Premier League compared with the 18 today.

"This is still lower than the figures being achieved in Germany and Spain today but it would take English football back to a figure last achieved in 2000".

England manager Roy Hodgson said: "I welcome the proposals. But I am just one voice of many who have contributed to this important study and I hope the debate that has been provoked can lead to some real developments in our game."

The most controversial proposal would be establishing a new League Three in 2016-17, made up of 10 Premier League B teams and 10 from the Conference.

The B team squads would require 20 out of 25 players to qualify for the home-grown rule and no non-EU players would be allowed. Nineteen players would have to be under 21.

The commission also recommended a phased reduction in the number of non-home-grown players in Premier League squads from 17 to 12, reaching their target by 2021.

A cap of two non-EU players per squad has also been proposed, plus a ban on non-EU players outside of the Premier League.

Dyke said: "This decline is a problem in countries right across Europe but is a significantly bigger problem in England than anywhere else - and if the trend continues we fear for the future of the English team.

"This isn't about players even for four years time this is for players for 10 years time, this is to win the 2022 World Cup, by which time I'll be long gone."

The commission - made up of Dyke, Hodgson, Danny Mills, Dario Gradi, Glenn Hoddle, Greg Clarke, Howard Wilkinson, Rio Ferdinand, Ritchie Humphreys and Roger Burden - began work last October and put together the 80-page report after contributions from more than 650 people across all levels of the sport.

The four problem areas identified by the FA commission
•Area 1 - Inadequate and insufficient playing opportunities for 18-20 year-old elite players at top clubs.
•Area 2 - Regulation of the player market in England is not effective in preserving the desired balance of British, EU and non-EU players in clubs.
•Area 3 - Coaching and coach development, essentially at grassroots level, have not yet reached a satisfactory level and impact.
•Area 4 - England lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities, particularly in the provision of all-weather pitches.
Source: FA Commission report

[6ft Kerplunk]

The suggestions come as a response to a lack of available English talent.

In the 2012-13 Premier League season, only 32% of starters qualified to play for England, compared to 69% 20 years ago.

Yeah, let's get back to 20 years ago when all that available English talent won us the '94 World Cup at a canter.

[Sanguine]

Slightly narrow-minded to break out the because we failed at one tournament exactly 20 years ago. Was only 2 years later of course our equal best major tournament result since ’66.

I actually don’t think Dyke’s plans go far enough – effectively amounts to just 2 additional English players per team by 2022. Surely we can aim higher than that?

If home-grown players are (generally) good enough for other European leagues – most of whom have outperformed us in tournaments this generation, and in European competition too, then why not look to move to that model?

[Extended-Phenotype]

The suggestions come as a response to a lack of available English talent.

In the 2012-13 Premier League season, only 32% of starters qualified to play for England, compared to 69% 20 years ago.

Yeah, let's get back to 20 years ago when all that available English talent won us the '94 World Cup at a canter.

This.

I've never understood the "too many foreign players" argument. We've always been as shit as we are. We just need a manager who lets us play football the way we are designed to play it rather than pandering to all this formations and tactics malarkey. Fit the football around our ability, don't fit us around the football.

Our ability is LIMPTARD. So just put 11 Billybollocks on the pitch and tell them to nut their way to the goal. Save your breath using complicated concepts like HOLDING MIDFIELDER and PASSING.

[P!ssed Off]

Which ten PL clubs will get a B team then?

And presumably the point is that the teams will win promotion above 'League 3' at some point, because otherwise I can't see why a league of 10 reserve teams and 10 conference teams is any better than a reserve league.

Seems to me that the plan's medium term future is to displace 10 FL clubs with 10 PL B teams.
~14% of FL clubs should be displaced because the top clubs have failed this country's youth? Outrageous!

It's top PL clubs' refusal to play young players that is the problem, not whether they are ready to play.
Look at Man Utd: Giggs gave a start to James Wilson and he's scored twice on his debut.

The whole "the reserve league structure is not adequately competitive to prepare our youth" argument coming out from the top clubs is just bollocks.

[Brum Royal]

I agree PO.

I don't envisage these B teams being in this League 3 for long, as the B sides are going to be better than conference standard. So then over the course of time you will end up with a whole host of Prem B sides in the Championship and somehow that is better than having established 100+ year old clubs in the same positions?

Not impressed.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Why can't these players just play for the already established clubs?

[sandman]

I agree PO.

I don't envisage these B teams being in this League 3 for long, as the B sides are going to be better than conference standard. So then over the course of time you will end up with a whole host of Prem B sides in the Championship and somehow that is better than having established 100+ year old clubs in the same positions?

Not impressed.

B teams would only get as far as League 1.

[Sanguine]

Because they choose not to. Without a salary cap or (an illegal) quota system, you won't prevent the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair moving to big clubs for money over playing time.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Because they choose not to. Without a salary cap or (an illegal) quota system, you won't prevent the likes of Rodwell and Sinclair moving to big clubs for money over playing time.

No, I meant on loan and still be part of their parent club in the same way they would be in a Team B.

[Dai Brainbocs]

Just how many away supporters will put money through the turnstiles of clubs the B teams visit? "League 3" will be dead in the water.

[Green]

Just how many away supporters will put money through the turnstiles of clubs the B teams visit? "League 3" will be dead in the water.

The majority of league 3 income does not come from away ticket sales.

[Extended-Phenotype]

In which case, who is going to be at the B Team home games?

[P!ssed Off]

I agree PO.

I don't envisage these B teams being in this League 3 for long, as the B sides are going to be better than conference standard. So then over the course of time you will end up with a whole host of Prem B sides in the Championship and somehow that is better than having established 100+ year old clubs in the same positions?

Not impressed.

B teams would only get as far as League 1.

Source?
(Not being rude, just curious.)