Racism in football (John Terry spin-off)

[Hoop Blah]

fwiw I do believe there are issues in football, but I don't think its as clearcut as many make out and I don't think racism is the sole issue

Totally agree with this statement.

A lot is made of the low numbers but very little about why that is but for the numbers to be as low as they are something is stopping BME career progression in football.

The interesting comment I pulled out from the think tanks findings was that there is this culture of 'who you know not what you know' driving managerial appointments. That I can absolutely understand because Chairman/Owners/etc usually appoint a manager who they've some experience of or who has come highly recommended from someone they trust (like McGhee, Pardew, Coppell, McDermott, Rodgers here at Reading).

What I don't understand is why that would exclude BME players from making use of those same connections and backing. Is it only white British players who make positive impressions on the powers that be?

The other oddity is thi 20% target. How come it's so high? What's the BME population in Britain? Less than 10% isn't it? What's the justification for the over represenation?

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Cool, so 7% of pro licence holders are black. At last that's a figure to run with

The fact that 18% of people on the courses are now black, would imply the Jason Roberts argument of players being put off is a crock of sh*te then

[sandman]

Or perhaps due to the work Roberts and the like are doing to combat this very real issue is encouraging more BME to apply to be on the course.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Or perhaps due to the work Roberts and the like are doing to combat this very real issue is encouraging more to try for the qualification.

That would be up for quickest and most successful turnaround in human history!

And they're not doing anything beyond saying that blacks mangers don't get a fair chance and will be put off. Not too sure how that encourages so many. Personally I'd just lean towards the likes of Roberts making stuff up when countered with "well there aren't many with pro licences". Evasion and making stuff up is his stock in trade when conversations get difficult

Clearly the potential managers are coming through and hopefully that will quickly translate into jobs

[6ft Kerplunk]

The other oddity is thi 20% target. How come it's so high? What's the BME population in Britain? Less than 10% isn't it? What's the justification for the over represenation?

Its not down to the BME population % is down to the % of players that are BME.

[No Fixed Abode]

The other oddity is thi 20% target. How come it's so high? What's the BME population in Britain? Less than 10% isn't it? What's the justification for the over represenation?

Its not down to the BME population % is down to the % of players that are BME.

Which is 25%. So theoretically we need to have a cull of BME players.

[tmesis]

If Black people don't do their coaching badges, they don't have a right to moan.
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This is the stat we never seem to see - the number of qualified black coaches as a % of the total v the percentage employed.

My guess is that the figure is a lot lower than the number of black players in the game, but also considerably higher than the percentage of coaches employed.

Facts and figures
-The PFA says about 18% of players on their coaching courses are black or from other ethnic minorities
-There are 192 Uefa Pro Licence owners in England and 14 of those are black coaches
-Around 25% of players in the professional game are non-white
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29333826

As posted on this very thread, over a month ago.

that doesn't give the crucial figure - the comparison between the % of qualified coaches who are black, and the % who are employed.

Without that, how can you tell if they are underemployed or not?

[Extended-Phenotype]

Surely if 18% of players on their coaching courses are BME, the % in coaching positions should be higher than 3.4%?

[Whatevs]

Surely if 18% of players on their coaching courses are BME, the % in coaching positions should be higher than 3.4%?

time lag?....dunno

[Extended-Phenotype]

Surely if 18% of players on their coaching courses are BME, the % in coaching positions should be higher than 3.4%?

time lag?....dunno

They are showing up late to the interview?

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Surely if 18% of players on their coaching courses are BME, the % in coaching positions should be higher than 3.4%?

As said, time lag.

18% now, but if that's very recent its more relevant to look at total numbers qualified

[Whatevs]

Surely if 18% of players on their coaching courses are BME, the % in coaching positions should be higher than 3.4%?

time lag?....dunno

They are showing up late to the interview?

[floyd__streete]

RE: Dave Whelan MELTDOWN currently being led by (who else) the BBC and from a mate of mine though I agree with every word:

This sums up today’s absurd society, where people with too much time on their hands sit around excitedly waiting to be offended so they can then complain about it. What the hell is wrong with everyone? How on earth can the older generations (from times when you were actually allowed to be an individual with a brain, forming your own opinions and sense of humour) be expected to keep up with the modern definition of what is and isn’t acceptable.

People complain there are no characters in sport and that people reel off the same old clichés. Is it any wonder when journalists ill-qualified to commentate on football, let alone matters of racial stereotype, catapult one ill-judged remark to the front of every paper?

[Extended-Phenotype]

RE: Dave Whelan MELTDOWN currently being led by (who else) the BBC and from a mate of mine though I agree with every word:

This sums up today’s absurd society, where people with too much time on their hands sit around excitedly waiting to be offended so they can then complain about it. What the hell is wrong with everyone? How on earth can the older generations (from times when you were actually allowed to be an individual with a brain, forming your own opinions and sense of humour) be expected to keep up with the modern definition of what is and isn’t acceptable.

People complain there are no characters in sport and that people reel off the same old clichés. Is it any wonder when journalists ill-qualified to commentate on football, let alone matters of racial stereotype, catapult one ill-judged remark to the front of every paper?

Mackay called Tan a chink.

Whelan said: "“There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”

Or all brown people Pakis perhaps. Soz but Chink is not an abbreviation or a term of endearment. It's an ethnic slur, with reference to a Chinese persons eyes, that has only ever been used in a negative and threatening manner. It's a pretty shitty thing to say, and a pretty shitty thing to endorse saying, I don't particularly give a shit how old you are.

Mackay said of Jewish football agent Phil Smith : "Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers".

Whelan said: “I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all.” Yeah, not like it was a tagline from Nazi propaganda used to justify the extermination of a race of people. It's just harmless observation - some of my best friends are money grabbing, big-nosed, parasites, yeah?

Soz Floyd, your mate sounds like a fuking plank.

[No Fixed Abode]

Agreed with Floyd's mate on this one.

This Country is being taken over by people easily playing the race card and many people falling for this overly politically correct b*llsh*t.

[sandman]

Exclusive - Floyd's mate revealed:

[leon]

RE: Dave Whelan MELTDOWN currently being led by (who else) the BBC and from a mate of mine though I agree with every word:

This sums up today’s absurd society, where people with too much time on their hands sit around excitedly waiting to be offended so they can then complain about it. What the hell is wrong with everyone? How on earth can the older generations (from times when you were actually allowed to be an individual with a brain, forming your own opinions and sense of humour) be expected to keep up with the modern definition of what is and isn’t acceptable.

People complain there are no characters in sport and that people reel off the same old clichés. Is it any wonder when journalists ill-qualified to commentate on football, let alone matters of racial stereotype, catapult one ill-judged remark to the front of every paper?

your mates a c unt and so are you.

This is reinforced by the fact that kes agrees with you and your mate

[floyd__streete]

Has anyone seen that crime thriller film starring Stephen Baldwin, Pete Postlethwaite and Kevin Spacey?

Were Whelan's words ill-advised? Yes. Has he apologised. Yes.

He is the owner of a private company, do you want him to resign as rentaquote Clark Carlisle does ? He's not a public servant. If a politician came out and said these things they'd have to resign, of course. I somehow don't think Greater Manchester Police will be investigating him. Perhaps EP and Leon - who somehow thinks he is edgy by using abusive words towards people he disagrees with when in actual fact it just makes him look immature - should campaign for the law to be changed so that he is prosecuted rather than wasting time discussing the issue with 'c unts' like me on here

[Ian Royal]

racist.

[leon]

Has anyone seen that crime thriller film starring Stephen Baldwin, Pete Postlethwaite and Kevin Spacey?

Were Whelan's words ill-advised? Yes. Has he apologised. Yes.

He is the owner of a private company, do you want him to resign as rentaquote Clark Carlisle does ? He's not a public servant. If a politician came out and said these things they'd have to resign, of course. I somehow don't think Greater Manchester Police will be investigating him. Perhaps EP and Leon - who somehow thinks he is edgy by using abusive words towards people he disagrees with when in actual fact it just makes him look immature - should campaign for the law to be changed so that he is prosecuted rather than wasting time discussing the issue with 'c unts' like me on here

I certainly don't think I'm edgy. I just say what I see.