Dellor moaning about Vydra again!!!

[RoyalinBracknell]

Favouring an incompetent employee because they're a 'lovely guy' is bad enough.
But announcing to the public that that is what you're doing is not my idea of good management.

The only person he favoured him over on Saturday was Cox.
Id prefer vydra to start over Cox, on the whole.

Who else was he favoured over?

John was dropped so we could go with a more narrow midfield diamond-again correct Imo
And the formation and tactics worked a treat

Yeah, I suppose the tactics of play 11 men who can't score against 11 men who can't score, and then bring on someone that can score at the end did work a treat.

You lot can say "It's Vydra or Cox" as many times as you like, it's blatantly not true.
How many strikers did we have on the pitch when we beat West Brom, Rotherham and Chartlon? One is the answer.

Ola John is our only goal threat at the moment. Perhaps McDermott ought to be trying to convince him to stay for next season, rather than spend all day cuddling Reading FC's biggest ever flop. However lovely he is...

Equally we had 2 strikers on the pitch when we beat Bolton! (And technically didn't our winners against Rotherham and Charlton come when we'd switched to two strikers up front?)

You seem to be suggesting McDermott changed the formation simply to accommodate Vydra's. I think this is unlikely considering he left Vydra out against Cardiff. I think it's more likely because we were playing the bottom team and we had a lack of obvious width due to McCleary and Robson-Kanu being injured and so we started with a more narrow formation. I've not necessarily got a problem with us starting 4-4-2 and I think Vydra is a better option than Cox - I wouldn't have a problem if McDermott left Vydra out to focus on next season but equally I don't think we have attacking options that are obviously better.

Ultimately we won the game and Vydra's contribution in getting a man sent off possibly helped with this. I think McDermott's take on it is completely reasonable and clearly he's not just playing him because he's a lovely guy. Clearly Vydra hasn't lived up to expectations at all but generally we've struggled to have a strong attacking rear with or without him.

[P!ssed Off]

Clearly Vydra hasn't lived up to expectations at all but generally we've struggled to have a strong attacking rear with or without him.

Goals per game without Vydra: 18/13 = 1.385
Goals per game with Vydra: 25/25 = 1

Top 6 sides and their gpg:
Burnley - 1.62
Boro - 1.34
Brighton - 1.38
Hull - 1.42
Wednesday - 1.46
Derby - 1.33

Only 4 teams in the league have scored more goals per game than our league record without Vydra.

Goals conceded without Vydra: 13/13 = 1
Goals conceded with Vydra: 30/25 = 1.2

The evidence is clear.
We score more goals without Vydra.
We concede fewer goals without Vydra.
We win more points without Vydra.

And that's being kind and not factoring in that he contributed nothing in at least three of the wins he's appeared in. He touched the ball a grand total of 35 times in the two Bolton wins and the Blackburn win.

Our record without Vydra scales up to 67 points with a goal difference of +9. That would put us 5th in the table, with a game in hand on the three below.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

It's an irrelevant conversation according the Brian.

Just fu k off Brian

[Top Flight]

Clearly Vydra hasn't lived up to expectations at all but generally we've struggled to have a strong attacking rear with or without him.

Goals per game without Vydra: 18/13 = 1.385
Goals per game with Vydra: 25/25 = 1

Top 6 sides and their gpg:
Burnley - 1.62
Boro - 1.34
Brighton - 1.38
Hull - 1.42
Wednesday - 1.46
Derby - 1.33

Only 4 teams in the league have scored more goals per game than our league record without Vydra.

Goals conceded without Vydra: 13/13 = 1
Goals conceded with Vydra: 30/25 = 1.2

The evidence is clear.
We score more goals without Vydra.
We concede fewer goals without Vydra.
We win more points without Vydra.

And that's being kind and not factoring in that he contributed nothing in at least three of the wins he's appeared in. He touched the ball a grand total of 35 times in the two Bolton wins and the Blackburn win.

Our record without Vydra scales up to 67 points with a goal difference of +9. That would put us 5th in the table, with a game in hand on the three below.

Those stats are just a coincidence and mean absolutely nothing. You have no way of knowing that if Vydra hadn't been involved what would have happened in those matches. We may have lost all the games and be in the bottom 3. You can manipulate statistics in any way you want. The bottom line is, Vydra is an outstanding talent. The End!

[Snowball136]

Goals per game without Vydra: 18/13 = 1.385

This scales up to fifth place


RUBBISH


1.385 times 46 games is 63.71

Last season with 69 points, Blackburn finished 9th
so 1.385 x 46 is TENTH.

It's a no-brainer to know that 1.5 ppg (69 points)is the lower end of making the top sixth

[Snowball136]

I would sign Vydra in a heartbeat and build an attack around him.


He will come good, probably score a hat-trick against us next season knowing our luck.

And you simply can't ignore the fact he has EIGHT goals, and was a major part in getting us to the quarter finals of the FA Cup


I remember this same conversation about Shane Long (never his a barn door, "never will be a footballer")

[Sutekh]

You never know, it maybe a scheme hatched up between club and player to reduce his market value so we can sign him at a more reasonable price in the summer and - hey presto - normal service resumes next season.

[P!ssed Off]

Goals per game without Vydra: 18/13 = 1.385

This scales up to fifth place


RUBBISH


1.385 times 46 games is 63.71

Last season with 69 points, Blackburn finished 9th
so 1.385 x 46 is TENTH.

It's a no-brainer to know that 1.5 ppg (69 points)is the lower end of making the top sixth

For your information I was not calculating points through goals per game, but rather points per game.
HTH

[The Cap]

Let's face it, Tellor was having an apoplectic fit on Saturday, going on about how our grannies could have scored the 'goals' that Vydra missed. Ranting on about how Vyds was being disrespectful to Reading fans through his actions, or rather lack of them, through Tellor's eyes. Have a word with yourself moosh. The bloke goes out there and gives his all for the shirt. There's no denying that fact. And so, moving on to the post match interview, Bri referred to Shane Long and his barren spell. At which point we're all waiting for Tellor to go for the jugular, after his outburst during the game, only for Bri to put him back in his box by saying that his "question was irrelevant". Tellor, you've either got it or you ain't. And you ain't. Just like Vyds, when it comes to scoring, at this moment in time. That being said, he'll probably end up scoring a hat-trick in one of the games between now and the end of the season. Yeah, I know, and British Airways are selling ham sandwiches during their flights.

[Hoop Blah]

For your information I was not calculating points through goals per game, but rather points per game.
HTH

The stats are relatively interesting, but only tell part of the story. The wider context is that we look better and more threatening with Vydra in the side, IMO of course.

Either way Vydra has failed to delivery the goals we wanted and needed from him. I really don't think that's up for debate Mr Off but irrespective of your view of the player and his part in our (non)success Dellors over-reaction to it is laughable and not becoming of a serious BBC journalist, let alone the Head of Sport.

His usual comeback of 'it's just a game', or 'don't listen if you don't like it' is amazingly childish too. Furthermore, considering the majority of those people criticising him will be licence paying customers who rely on BBCRB coverage as the sole radio broadcasters it's extremely arrogant too. He really should be pulled up on it by his bosses.

[Forbury Lion]

Ola John is our only goal threat at the moment.

I wouldn't go that far, we hit the post a few times and if you're that close your a threat.

[Maneki Neko]

BBCRB and the presenters may be far from perfect but at least they try to keep the fans interested which, in a season like this, is a very difficult job.

apart from the bit where he encouraged fans not to bother turning up for any more games this year, but to go and watch some speedway/rugby instead

[Maneki Neko]

Favouring an incompetent employee because they're a 'lovely guy' is bad enough.
But announcing to the public that that is what you're doing is not my idea of good management.

The only person he favoured him over on Saturday was Cox.
Id prefer vydra to start over Cox, on the whole.

Who else was he favoured over?

John was dropped so we could go with a more narrow midfield diamond-again correct Imo
And the formation and tactics worked a treat

Yeah, I suppose the tactics of play 11 men who can't score against 11 men who can't score, and then bring on someone that can score at the end did work a treat.

You lot can say "It's Vydra or Cox" as many times as you like, it's blatantly not true.
How many strikers did we have on the pitch when we beat West Brom, Rotherham and Chartlon? One is the answer.

Ola John is our only goal threat at the moment. Perhaps McDermott ought to be trying to convince him to stay for next season, rather than spend all day cuddling Reading FC's biggest ever flop. However lovely he is...

erm.....but he isn't a striker

[Maneki Neko]

There is no alternative to Vydra?



at games 13 to 23.
11 games and we won two:
The one game Vydra didn't start and the one we took him off at half time.

Vydra has been a passenger all season and contributed virtually nothing in the league. We would almost certainly be higher up the league if we'd played an extra defender or midfielder instead of him.
Had we given his minutes to Samuel, Cox, Rakels etc then really we couldn't have fared any worse and I suspect they might just have managed to match or better 2 goals from 21(4).

While cox runs about a lot, and has looked energetic in his last two appearances, hes still never looked like scoring, and barely had a sniff of a chance. whereas vydra gets cast iron chances every game......I mean, he misses them, but at least hes in the right place looking like he COULD score

[Top Flight]

I think there are two debates really at play here.

1) Should Vydra be in the first team?
The amount the club has paid to Watford for his services is not relevant to Vydra himself and shouldn't be used as a guage to judge whether he should be in the first team or not. If people think we have paid too much for the guy compared to what he is delivering on the pitch then Hammond, Howe, the Thais deserve that criticism and not Vydra. People have the wrong expectations of Vydra. I would argue that he wasn't brought in as the number one striker. We had our number one striker in Orlando Sa and Blackman. Vydra is the number 2 striker. That's what he is and has always been. People's expectations are misplaced and it is leading to alot of unfair criticism of Vydra that he really doesn't deserve. The question is, should he be in our first team. We are better in my opinion with him in the team. Although I that accept others can pull up stats that might argue against that view.

2) Is Dellor's criticism of Vydra, fair, justified and proportional?
Personally, I don't think it is.

I think we look a more dangerous team that can cause damage to the opposition when Vydra is in the team. I think Vydra gives 100% every time he plays. I think Dellor's criticism is ridiculous and rather than attack Vydra or McDermott who is right to pick a player that can stretch teams, and cause damage to the opposition he should focus his anger at the board and higher level management of the club who have had what must be the most knee jerk, incompetent, indecisive season that I have certainly witnessed.

They chop and change on a manager, on a striker, fill the side with loanees, sell top strikers and replace them with old men from Bournemouth. Sign unproven cheapo's from Poland when they should have gone for Connor Washington who is proven one level below the Royals and was more likely to adapt to the Championship. They really don't know whether they are coming and going with players and managers. Look at the situation with Hurtado....

[P!ssed Off]

The only person he favoured him over on Saturday was Cox.
Id prefer vydra to start over Cox, on the whole.

Who else was he favoured over?

John was dropped so we could go with a more narrow midfield diamond-again correct Imo
And the formation and tactics worked a treat

Yeah, I suppose the tactics of play 11 men who can't score against 11 men who can't score, and then bring on someone that can score at the end did work a treat.

You lot can say "It's Vydra or Cox" as many times as you like, it's blatantly not true.
How many strikers did we have on the pitch when we beat West Brom, Rotherham and Chartlon? One is the answer.

Ola John is our only goal threat at the moment. Perhaps McDermott ought to be trying to convince him to stay for next season, rather than spend all day cuddling Reading FC's biggest ever flop. However lovely he is...

erm.....but he isn't a striker

We do not have to play with two strikers.
Not sure how I can say that in simpler terms...

[Maneki Neko]

It's an irrelevant conversation according the Brian.

Just fu k off Brian

it was tim who said it was an irrelevant question. after talking about it for 10 minutes
brian then said, ' well you asked the irrelevant question, not me.


shit filtered hearing aid.

[Maneki Neko]

1) Should Vydra be in the first team?
The amount the club has paid to Watford for his services is not relevant to Vydra himself and shouldn't be used as a guage to judge whether he should be in the first team or not.

unless,just like with chalobah last year, Clarke has negotiated a loan fee that only includes paying his wages when he doesn't play, and the finances dictate that we cannot afford to pay those wages for the rest of the season. or that if we do pay them, we will have a million less for next years transfer budget...

in those circumstances, it is very relevant

[Maneki Neko]

Yeah, I suppose the tactics of play 11 men who can't score against 11 men who can't score, and then bring on someone that can score at the end did work a treat.

You lot can say "It's Vydra or Cox" as many times as you like, it's blatantly not true.
How many strikers did we have on the pitch when we beat West Brom, Rotherham and Chartlon? One is the answer.

Ola John is our only goal threat at the moment. Perhaps McDermott ought to be trying to convince him to stay for next season, rather than spend all day cuddling Reading FC's biggest ever flop. However lovely he is...

erm.....but he isn't a striker

We do not have to play with two strikers.
Not sure how I can say that in simpler terms...

we usually don't.....it was just tactical for this game and due to other injuries/balance of the side.
and it succeeded, because we were all over them right from the off.

[Big Foot]

Actual lol @ anyone who thinks Vydra is our "biggest ever flop"