Defensive Coach Required? End of Season Waffle

[Hendo]

Conceded 23 goals under Ince in 15 games, 1.5 per game which would work out at 71 goals over the course of a season.

Conceded 61 goals under Pauno in 32 games, 1.9 per game which would work out at 88 goals over the course of a season.

Ince has been in charge for 12 games, correct though 23 conceded at 1.91 a game .
We`ve shipped 85 goals so clowno oversaw 32 games conceding 82 at 1.93 a game, not too much in it, but the last 2 games letting in 7 probably gives it a distorted view.

We've conceded 4 goals in a game 3 times and 3 goals once. Still too many goals to be letting in over the course of a season with Ince in charge, although I don't doubt a summer bringing in his own players and further work on things with the team would see an improvement.

Seems to be with Ince that we either concede absolutely loads of goals or we're really tight. There doesn't seem to be any in-between.

[Notts Royal]

I think this is partly down to tactical naivety, and partly down to personnel.

It’s pretty obvious that Morrison has lost his legs & I think that’s contributed largely to the shipping of goals. As much as I like him, it’s time to cut ties.

Holmes is pretty slow too, so when played with Morrison, it’s been pretty easy for players to get in behind us.

McIntyre I’d say is our best bet, but still don’t think a Holmes-McIntyre pairing is strong enough…yet.

Moore presumably is going & Dann…well, the less said the better.

So effectively we need 2 new CBs, and that’s before we’ve even touched upon the FB positions.

So personnel is a real issue for us at present

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I think a Holmes - McIntyre partnership could hold it's own in this league now to be fair. Obviously there would be issues, inconsistency etc, but I think in terms of quality it's good enough now and should be the case where we are wanting to play that in as many games as possible.

With players like Dann and another squad option or two behind them, we should be set in that area.

We could use up to 2 full backs in the summer, that's with Yiadom staying on as well. Someone who can play LB and someone who could cover both sides ideally.

[URZZZZ]

I think a Holmes - McIntyre partnership could hold it's own in this league now to be fair. Obviously there would be issues, inconsistency etc, but I think in terms of quality it's good enough now and should be the case where we are wanting to play that in as many games as possible.

With players like Dann and another squad option or two behind them, we should be set in that area.

We could use up to 2 full backs in the summer, that's with Yiadom staying on as well. Someone who can play LB and someone who could cover both sides ideally.

I don’t think Holmes and McIntyre would make a particularly good duo. I see scope for those two playing either side of another CB in a back three but not as a two. Just don’t think either are physically imposing enough, Holmes in particular loses a lot of headers

Partly why I advocated McIntyre as a midfielder, he’s got a good football brain and his positioning (not as a LB mind) is decent enough but could see him (and Holmes) being easily bullied by the more physical strikers in the same way Moore, Miazga, McShane, Morrison and co (in their prime) weren’t

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I think a Holmes - McIntyre partnership could hold it's own in this league now to be fair. Obviously there would be issues, inconsistency etc, but I think in terms of quality it's good enough now and should be the case where we are wanting to play that in as many games as possible.

With players like Dann and another squad option or two behind them, we should be set in that area.

We could use up to 2 full backs in the summer, that's with Yiadom staying on as well. Someone who can play LB and someone who could cover both sides ideally.

I don’t think Holmes and McIntyre would make a particularly good duo. I see scope for those two playing either side of another CB in a back three but not as a two. Just don’t think either are physically imposing enough, Holmes in particular loses a lot of headers

Partly why I advocated McIntyre as a midfielder, he’s got a good football brain and his positioning (not as a LB mind) is decent enough but could see him (and Holmes) being easily bullied by the more physical strikers in the same way Moore, Miazga, McShane, Morrison and co (in their prime) weren’t

Yeah there would be issues, they are both still young and the CB's you've named their were all in their primes or back end of their careers with us, so they could easily bulk out as the years go on.

I do agree though when they could fit well in a back 3, which could be entirely possible alongside Dann or someone else next season. I've always thought our squad has suited a back 3 and with Holmes and McIntyre being able to/have had experience at full back, that covers us there quite well.

McIntyre in midfield is also something I'd be an advocate for though as well, plenty of scope with him.

[Dirk Gently]

Didn't we just get rid of one? Whenever Paunovic was criticied, he'd immediatley get all defensive.

[Snowflake Royal]

How many goals have we conceded under Ince and how does that compare to Pauno?

I did a bunch of stats a couple weeks ago that covered that I think. Though since then we've conceded another 3 and 4 in games.

[Snowflake Royal]

Needed:

* Defensive coach
* Set-piece coach
* Director of Football
* Manager

How we recover from 12 out of contract players I don't know, and rumours are that the young talent Camera is being chased by Ajax and a few others. Is the Cat 1 academy, at a cost of £2.5m a season proving worth it?

Well Olise just paid for three years on his own.

Holmes has probably saved us about £2m in fees and wages over the last couple of years. McIntyre maybe similar though probably reduce it for injuries.

Richards probably £1m+ for last season.

Clarke, Camara, Tetek, Bristow, Southwood, Ashcroft, Stickland, Azeez all got appearances.

Dorsett looks promising.

TBH the Academy is almost certainly by far and away the best spent money at the club.

Or put it like this. The Academy costs us 1.6 Liam Moore's this season and has delivered 106 (38) appearances, 7 goals and 1 assist. So the equivalent of about 3 ever present players

Last season, it delivered 164 (40) appearances, 10 goals and 19 assists

So the equivalent of about 5 ever present players

[Zip]

The Academy more than pays its way.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Yeah the academy does. That doesn't even include the likes of Rino who is now a key figure for our midfield these days as well.

We've also had a couple we've sold on as well like Novakovic to Frosinone which won't be masses of money, but will be something.

[Snowflake Royal]

Yeah the academy does. That doesn't even include the likes of Rino who is now a key figure for our midfield these days as well.

We've also had a couple we've sold on as well like Novakovic to Frosinone which won't be masses of money, but will be something.

Just to be clear, my numbers include Rino.

[Nameless]

Needed:

* Defensive coach
* Set-piece coach
* Director of Football
* Manager

How we recover from 12 out of contract players I don't know, and rumours are that the young talent Camera is being chased by Ajax and a few others. Is the Cat 1 academy, at a cost of £2.5m a season proving worth it?

Immediate cost saving there - why on earth would you have a ‘set piece’ coach !

And don’t be upset by losing 12 players. It’s actually 18 of the current squad who won’t be contracted next season. Of course 4 of those are loans, 2 are squad fillers, 1 has been here a couple of months, 1 has had 2 career ending injuries in his time here...
But how many players are out of contract every year ? Players are probably only 2-3 year deals so every year around 1/3 of a squad are going to be in the lastyear of their deals. Of course you try and get players you want to keep signed up early but we’ve not been able to do that for various reasons. I suspect we’ll see new contracts for some players announced soon.
And then as you do every year you sign new players. Even with a transfer embargo we signed 10 players last season and paid no transfer fees. That included at least half a dozen internationals 2 of whom will be at the World Cup and loads of Premier League experience.
It’s not all just doom and gloom. Not that I’m expecting it to be all fun and frolics either. Anyone would think we’re going to start next season with the 12 contracted players we end the season with !

[Millsy]

Yes we need a defensive coach but much more pressing is an above-average keeper.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Yeah the academy does. That doesn't even include the likes of Rino who is now a key figure for our midfield these days as well.

We've also had a couple we've sold on as well like Novakovic to Frosinone which won't be masses of money, but will be something.

Just to be clear, my numbers include Rino.

It was just a name I didn't see mentioned really, but that's fair.