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Away form

by morganb » 05 Oct 2024 17:09

Our away form is terrible.

Our away form has been terrible for years.

What needs to be done to change our away form?

Was today's result against Rotherham due to playing 3 games in a week and having a lack of squad depth?

Are away results affected by travelling on the day rather than having an overnight hotel stay due to costs?

Is it all on the manager's tactics or mentality of the players?

Just curious what people's thoughts are

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Re: Away form

by Brogue » 05 Oct 2024 17:13

Playing a CM at RB (21) a 16 year old at left back, MM (22) and TB (19) at CB probably doesn’t help. You can’t expect to win many away games with a back four with an average age of 19.

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Re: Away form

by WestYorksRoyal » 05 Oct 2024 17:17

Can I ask, what is a reasonable haul from games at Birmingham, Wrexham, Bolton and Rotherham for a mid table side?

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Re: Away form

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Oct 2024 17:20

WestYorksRoyal Can I ask, what is a reasonable haul from games at Birmingham, Wrexham, Bolton and Rotherham for a mid table side?

2 to 4 is decent from that lot I'd say.

1 is disappointing. But it's very much a case of nearly much better.

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Re: Away form

by WestYorksRoyal » 05 Oct 2024 17:27

I would say pressure is building on the next 3, which appear more winnable (Exeter, Stockport, Stevenage). 4 - 6 points from there and away form is no cause for concern. 1 or 2 and it's an issue.


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Re: Away form

by RG30 » 05 Oct 2024 18:07

morganb Are away results affected by travelling on the day rather than having an overnight hotel stay due to costs?


Don't believe this has been case for a while now (for the longer distance games anyway).

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Re: Away form

by Royal_jimmy » 05 Oct 2024 21:38

We've picked up 51 points from a possible 219 in the last 3 and a bit seasons.

Out of 73 games we've averaged 0.68 per game, very poor. Even when we've had issues as a club that's not good enough at all. Only 13 wins in that too.

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Re: Away form

by Royal_jimmy » 05 Oct 2024 21:41

morganb Our away form is terrible.

Our away form has been terrible for years.

What needs to be done to change our away form?

Was today's result against Rotherham due to playing 3 games in a week and having a lack of squad depth?

Are away results affected by travelling on the day rather than having an overnight hotel stay due to costs?

Is it all on the manager's tactics or mentality of the players?

Just curious what people's thoughts are


We're not travelling on the day unless it's a local game.

It's because we have an inexperienced team why we're poor away. Also our tactics are not ideal away from home.

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Re: Away form

by Snowflake Royal » 05 Oct 2024 23:05

Royal_jimmy We've picked up 51 points from a possible 219 in the last 3 and a bit seasons.

Out of 73 games we've averaged 0.68 per game, very poor. Even when we've had issues as a club that's not good enough at all. Only 13 wins in that too.

Shambolically run team in relegation battles doesn’t win away games shocker.


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Re: Away form

by From Despair To Where? » 06 Oct 2024 08:01

There's all sorts of factors around the general state of the club that will be affecting away form but specifically this season, we've played Hollywood FC and their seasoned, experienced squad, Moneybags FC and their transfer spend greater than pretty much every team in the division above, last season's losing play off finalists and a team who got relegated last season and are the proverbial yo-yo club. I'd be more concerned if we were losing to teams like Burton or Cambridge.

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Re: Away form

by Sutekh » 06 Oct 2024 08:10

Why all the moaning? Losing 2-1 up there is a damn sight better than the Ince led 4-0 shambles from 2 years ago. Next league away trip is postponed so have to wait to towards the end of the month for 2 midweek away visits to Exeter and Stockport.

There'll be an away league win one day.

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Re: Away form

by morganb » 06 Oct 2024 12:21

Surely a lot of the issues that affect our away form also affect our home form? However isn't our home form really good?

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by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2024 12:27

morganb Surely a lot of the issues that affect our away form also affect our home form? However isn't our home form really good?

It's really too early to talk much about our away form this season. And last season was better than the one before.

Teams generally do worse away from home. Refs tend to slightly favour home teams. Crowd advantage. Half our away results have been affected by tight refereeing calls going against us. Our team is full of youth and inexperience which can be exacerbated away in a more hostile environment and home teams playing more confidently and determinedly.

We're a team of fine margins. That could easily have been a win on another day, as could Birmingham.


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Re: Away form

by Sutekh » 06 Oct 2024 13:53

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morganb Surely a lot of the issues that affect our away form also affect our home form? However isn't our home form really good?

It's really too early to talk much about our away form this season. And last season was better than the one before.

Teams generally do worse away from home. Refs tend to slightly favour home teams. Crowd advantage. Half our away results have been affected by tight refereeing calls going against us. Our team is full of youth and inexperience which can be exacerbated away in a more hostile environment and home teams playing more confidently and determinedly.

We're a team of fine margins. That could easily have been a win on another day, as could Birmingham.


Difference in fine margins being that at Birmingham points were dropped due to a blunder of the "official" kind.

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Re: Away form

by stealthpapes » 06 Oct 2024 14:05

Likewise yesterday (imho).

Likewise Derby (A) last season (twice!). And Fleetwood.

I can't remember too many away games from last season (or the run-in the season before, where I went to most from Sunderland onwards) where 50:50 calls went more our way than against.

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Re: Away form

by Snowflake Royal » 06 Oct 2024 16:24

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morganb Surely a lot of the issues that affect our away form also affect our home form? However isn't our home form really good?

It's really too early to talk much about our away form this season. And last season was better than the one before.

Teams generally do worse away from home. Refs tend to slightly favour home teams. Crowd advantage. Half our away results have been affected by tight refereeing calls going against us. Our team is full of youth and inexperience which can be exacerbated away in a more hostile environment and home teams playing more confidently and determinedly.

We're a team of fine margins. That could easily have been a win on another day, as could Birmingham.


Difference in fine margins being that at Birmingham points were dropped due to a blunder of the "official" kind.

Arguably the same yesterday for one at least.

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Re: Away form

by Clyde1998 » 06 Oct 2024 17:37

Since the return from Covid (the start of 2021-22), our league away record has been P73; W13; D13; L47, compared to P74; W33; D18; L23 at home. That difference between home and away form is what's the biggest problem for me, as we're clearly good enough to get results away from home. Last season gained the least points away from home in the division, compared to the seventh best home record.

I wonder if we fail to get consistent points away from home due to some combination of tactical and mental frailties.

Would say this season, we've started with four away games against sides who'll likely be competing towards the top of the table come May and all are sides which could quite easily beat us at home this season. It may be we'll pick up away from home simply by playing the weaker sides in the division.

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Re: Away form

by WestYorksRoyal » 06 Oct 2024 17:47

I don't see the logic of looking back too far. This is basically a new team from the start of last season, so what happened going back to Covid or 2017 really isn't relevant.

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Re: Away form

by Clyde1998 » 06 Oct 2024 19:07

WestYorksRoyal I don't see the logic of looking back too far. This is basically a new team from the start of last season, so what happened going back to Covid or 2017 really isn't relevant.

The logic is simply to say it's not something that's suddenly occurred - and not unique to the current squad of players.

It's possible certain factors which led to our significantly worse away form compared to home form have existed since before any of these players were at the club.

Additionally, it could be as simple as that study where girls that were told they were bad at maths performed worse than similar girls that weren't told that; if players believe Reading will do badly away, there may be a psychological block for away games that transcends the actual players' time at the club.

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Re: Away form

by leon » 07 Oct 2024 01:26

All of the above is bollocks.

We set up like we’re at home. We’re not we’re in some provincial hellhole. We need more steel in midfield to shore it up.

Yesterday’s midfield was far too weak. Go defensive grind out draws and some wins and build from there.

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