Hunt in

[WestYorksRoyal]

A lot of our problems seems to be mental and morale related. We've played well in spells this season. Last 20 minutes at Bolton, most of Wycombe, spells today. But we also look poor in spells. First 30 today could have cost us the game; instead 10 minutes in the second half did.

We haven't yet put together a performance over a whole game, but I don't agree with the no identity/no plan prognosis. We've seen flashes of how we want to play.

Get big characters like Ritchie and O'Connor available, get a couple of wins against weaker opposition for confidence and hopefully watch it comes together.

Hunt In!

I really hope you're right, but I'm not convinced, unfortunately.

I'm skeptical of myself being honest. I know I'm being influenced by my liking of the guy, but at the same time, I can see a path to it being a success.

What I will say is this isn't just the Twitter dickheads and bedwetters now. A lot of fans are turning, and he's probably not far away from having the entire fanbase against him. Out next fixtures are:

Orient (H) - Medium
Stockport (A) - Hard
Mansfield (H) - Easy

Fail to win any of these and I think the critical mass will turn against him. And you rarely see a manager salvage it after that happens.

[Royal_jimmy]

Hunt in

Think it’s been said on here before but I feel like it’s going to be a bit of a Selles first season start for us this year. (Hopefully not as bad) but I’m sure we will come out of it a stronger side. Paudie is clearly a big miss for us at the moment.

We have a new defence and a new front 3 and a set of tricky fixtures to start the season. I think we should have some more points on the board but not surprised by the slow start.

Under Selles even when we were shite there were games where performances weren't too bad like Posh at home, Cheltenham at home, away to Shrewsbury, Exeter away etc

[Royal_jimmy]

General consensus appears to be that we're not going to get promoted or even in the play offs this season.

So, so long as we're not at risk of relegation surely Couhig will keep Hunt In for this season

Assuming the plan is promotion next season, with a more stable squad and financial situation, then, if deserved, sack Hunt at the end of this season, get in a better manager who reinforces the side and goes all out for promotion next year

Also means less of a payoff required

Hunt won't get us promoted ever

[West F]

Can we have a thread for Hunt to shake it all about?

Nice

[West F]

Double post apologies. .

[West F]

Hunt in

Think it’s been said on here before but I feel like it’s going to be a bit of a Selles first season start for us this year. (Hopefully not as bad) but I’m sure we will come out of it a stronger side. Paudie is clearly a big miss for us at the moment.

We have a new defence and a new front 3 and a set of tricky fixtures to start the season. I think we should have some more points on the board but not surprised by the slow start.

Under Selles even when we were shite there were games where performances weren't too bad like Posh at home, Cheltenham at home, away to Shrewsbury, Exeter away etc

Ruben gave up on his tactical vision in order to get results. He adopted a formation and plan that suited the players we had at the time. Noel, has coached the under 21s to play in the same way. The problem is that he doesn’t have the players to play a high line press with inverted forwards coupled to a tireless working striker. Noel is not playing in a way that suits the players he has. He will die on his hill if he will not adapt. Sacking Noel would be disastrous, given the fact that he has brought in his own players and any new manager would cast a critical eye over them and the squad. He will have until November to sort things out. No improvement at this point and even Redwood would get twitchy.

[Getthebeerens]

Hunt in

Think it’s been said on here before but I feel like it’s going to be a bit of a Selles first season start for us this year. (Hopefully not as bad) but I’m sure we will come out of it a stronger side. Paudie is clearly a big miss for us at the moment.

We have a new defence and a new front 3 and a set of tricky fixtures to start the season. I think we should have some more points on the board but not surprised by the slow start.

Under Selles even when we were shite there were games where performances weren't too bad like Posh at home, Cheltenham at home, away to Shrewsbury, Exeter away etc

Two of the teams you mentioned we played well against and lost under Selles are now propping up League 2.
Today was a hard fixture, playing away to 3rd in the league. I think a tricky fixture list and a new team is making things look a lot worse than it actually is.

[Snowflake Royal]

Anyone who wants him out now should be the ones going. Not the sort of fans who should be here. Just impatient, angry kneejerkers.

The opening games have been tough, we've lost a lot of our best players from last season and are bedding in new owners and a mostly new squad with an inexperienced manager.

Performances are disappointing, we're conceding too many poor goals. But the complaint a few weeks ago was we'd lost all our goals and can’t score. Our first three games we scored 1, our next four we've scored 6.

Hunt's started badly before, with people saying we wouldn't win another game, he's shit and he should go, and we finished 7th.

He's an ex player who's worked his way up through the coaching side in the Academy and did a great job under horrendous circumstances, and ungrateful pcunts have been talking about him not being good enough and getting sacked since about game 2 of the season.

Clubs who sack their manager this early are rightly ridiculed. Any manager, and Hunt more so, deserves 10 games to start the season before anyone even thinks about sacking, and then minimum five games under pressure to fix things. We're not even half way to the point sacking him should be considered an option.

What the oxf*rd does sacking him achieve? We still have the same squad. He's picking broadly the right team. Burns/Stickland will still make a couple of dangerous errors a game. Ahmed will still be a teenager learning ropes and having a few bad games. Improvements take time, shitting the bed about relegation is ridiculous at this point in the season. We're unlikely to be challenging for promotion this season whatever happens, although Orient won just 2 of their first 11 league games last year and Wellens still took them to 6th without being sacked.

So what's the rush even if Hunt doesn't prove good enough? There isn’t one. Just man babies throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's absolutely a no brainer he's going nowhere right now.

If we're still conceding a lot and with few points and wins in another 8 games, then it's time to start asking a question.

Sack every manager who starts badly or has an iffy run, and you’ll never have a good manager.

[The Cap]

Anyone who wants him out now should be the ones going. Not the sort of fans who should be here. Just impatient, angry kneejerkers.

The opening games have been tough, we've lost a lot of our best players from last season and are bedding in new owners and a mostly new squad with an inexperienced manager.

Performances are disappointing, we're conceding too many poor goals. But the complaint a few weeks ago was we'd lost all our goals and can’t score. Our first three games we scored 1, our next four we've scored 6.

Hunt's started badly before, with people saying we wouldn't win another game, he's shit and he should go, and we finished 7th.

He's an ex player who's worked his way up through the coaching side in the Academy and did a great job under horrendous circumstances, and ungrateful pcunts have been talking about him not being good enough and getting sacked since about game 2 of the season.

Clubs who sack their manager this early are rightly ridiculed. Any manager, and Hunt more so, deserves 10 games to start the season before anyone even thinks about sacking, and then minimum five games under pressure to fix things. We're not even half way to the point sacking him should be considered an option.

What the oxf*rd does sacking him achieve? We still have the same squad. He's picking broadly the right team. Burns/Stickland will still make a couple of dangerous errors a game. Ahmed will still be a teenager learning ropes and having a few bad games. Improvements take time, shitting the bed about relegation is ridiculous at this point in the season. We're unlikely to be challenging for promotion this season whatever happens, although Orient won just 2 of their first 11 league games last year and Wellens still took them to 6th without being sacked.

So what's the rush even if Hunt doesn't prove good enough? There isn’t one. Just man babies throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's absolutely a no brainer he's going nowhere right now.

If we're still conceding a lot and with few points and wins in another 8 games, then it's time to start asking a question.

Sack every manager who starts badly or has an iffy run, and you’ll never have a good manager.

Nice bit of wisdom in that last sentence SR

[RG30]

If Hunt was so good why did we fail to win a a game under him the year we got relegated? Why was he not appointed the full time manager before Selles got the job?

[andrew1957]

Anyone who wants him out now should be the ones going. Not the sort of fans who should be here. Just impatient, angry kneejerkers.

The opening games have been tough, we've lost a lot of our best players from last season and are bedding in new owners and a mostly new squad with an inexperienced manager.

Performances are disappointing, we're conceding too many poor goals. But the complaint a few weeks ago was we'd lost all our goals and can’t score. Our first three games we scored 1, our next four we've scored 6.

Hunt's started badly before, with people saying we wouldn't win another game, he's shit and he should go, and we finished 7th.

He's an ex player who's worked his way up through the coaching side in the Academy and did a great job under horrendous circumstances, and ungrateful pcunts have been talking about him not being good enough and getting sacked since about game 2 of the season.

Clubs who sack their manager this early are rightly ridiculed. Any manager, and Hunt more so, deserves 10 games to start the season before anyone even thinks about sacking, and then minimum five games under pressure to fix things. We're not even half way to the point sacking him should be considered an option.

What the oxf*rd does sacking him achieve? We still have the same squad. He's picking broadly the right team. Burns/Stickland will still make a couple of dangerous errors a game. Ahmed will still be a teenager learning ropes and having a few bad games. Improvements take time, shitting the bed about relegation is ridiculous at this point in the season. We're unlikely to be challenging for promotion this season whatever happens, although Orient won just 2 of their first 11 league games last year and Wellens still took them to 6th without being sacked.

So what's the rush even if Hunt doesn't prove good enough? There isn’t one. Just man babies throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's absolutely a no brainer he's going nowhere right now.

If we're still conceding a lot and with few points and wins in another 8 games, then it's time to start asking a question.

Sack every manager who starts badly or has an iffy run, and you’ll never have a good manager.

Spot on and agree with every word. I have genuinely been shocked that so many on here expected instant success after what the club, manager and players went through last season. We have had a lot of tough games at the start of the season, many new players to bed in and injuries have been a big concern but I have complete confidence that Hunt will take us to a mid table finish if he is just allowed to get on with the job. Then I would expect a push towards top 6 next season. I would like to see Hunt given a minimum of 20 league games before his future is even considered.

It will be interesting to see if the new owners are patient people or crave instant success at all costs like so many on here.

[Snowflake Royal]

If Hunt was so good why did we fail to win a a game under him the year we got relegated? Why was he not appointed the full time manager before Selles got the job?

A) he took over a doomed shit show where everyone had given up.

B) no one is saying Hunt is a great manager. Almost no one starts out as a great manager. Hunt didn't get the job when we were relegated, because, his performance then didn’t warrant it. He got the job because Selles left and we were so oxf*rd our only option was internal. He then did a more than good enough job to earn his contract, and he's the incumbent. So he should get a proper crack of the whip. Not just get binned off because some people think we're too good to ever have any problems.

[Orion1871]

If Hunt was so good why did we fail to win a a game under him the year we got relegated? Why was he not appointed the full time manager before Selles got the job?

A) he took over a doomed shit show where everyone had given up.

B) no one is saying Hunt is a great manager. Almost no one starts out as a great manager. Hunt didn't get the job when we were relegated, because, his performance then didn’t warrant it. He got the job because Selles left and we were so oxf*rd our only option was internal. He then did a more than good enough job to earn his contract, and he's the incumbent. So he should get a proper crack of the whip. Not just get binned off because some people think we're too good to ever have any problems.

No one thinks that "we're too good to ever have any problems". The issue is whether Noel is a good enough manager to turn around those problems.

[Snowflake Royal]

If Hunt was so good why did we fail to win a a game under him the year we got relegated? Why was he not appointed the full time manager before Selles got the job?

A) he took over a doomed shit show where everyone had given up.

B) no one is saying Hunt is a great manager. Almost no one starts out as a great manager. Hunt didn't get the job when we were relegated, because, his performance then didn’t warrant it. He got the job because Selles left and we were so oxf*rd our only option was internal. He then did a more than good enough job to earn his contract, and he's the incumbent. So he should get a proper crack of the whip. Not just get binned off because some people think we're too good to ever have any problems.

No one thinks that "we're too good to ever have any problems". The issue is whether Noel is a good enough manager to turn around those problems.

Read a few posts from royal jimmy. And he's far from the only one.

Literal comment: no one should ever accept losing to a rival.

Our fanbase is toxic.

[Royal_jimmy]

Anyone who wants him out now should be the ones going. Not the sort of fans who should be here. Just impatient, angry kneejerkers.

The opening games have been tough, we've lost a lot of our best players from last season and are bedding in new owners and a mostly new squad with an inexperienced manager.

Performances are disappointing, we're conceding too many poor goals. But the complaint a few weeks ago was we'd lost all our goals and can’t score. Our first three games we scored 1, our next four we've scored 6.

Hunt's started badly before, with people saying we wouldn't win another game, he's shit and he should go, and we finished 7th.

He's an ex player who's worked his way up through the coaching side in the Academy and did a great job under horrendous circumstances, and ungrateful pcunts have been talking about him not being good enough and getting sacked since about game 2 of the season.

Clubs who sack their manager this early are rightly ridiculed. Any manager, and Hunt more so, deserves 10 games to start the season before anyone even thinks about sacking, and then minimum five games under pressure to fix things. We're not even half way to the point sacking him should be considered an option.

What the oxf*rd does sacking him achieve? We still have the same squad. He's picking broadly the right team. Burns/Stickland will still make a couple of dangerous errors a game. Ahmed will still be a teenager learning ropes and having a few bad games. Improvements take time, shitting the bed about relegation is ridiculous at this point in the season. We're unlikely to be challenging for promotion this season whatever happens, although Orient won just 2 of their first 11 league games last year and Wellens still took them to 6th without being sacked.

So what's the rush even if Hunt doesn't prove good enough? There isn’t one. Just man babies throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's absolutely a no brainer he's going nowhere right now.

If we're still conceding a lot and with few points and wins in another 8 games, then it's time to start asking a question.

Sack every manager who starts badly or has an iffy run, and you’ll never have a good manager.

Spot on and agree with every word. I have genuinely been shocked that so many on here expected instant success after what the club, manager and players went through last season. We have had a lot of tough games at the start of the season, many new players to bed in and injuries have been a big concern but I have complete confidence that Hunt will take us to a mid table finish if he is just allowed to get on with the job. Then I would expect a push towards top 6 next season. I would like to see Hunt given a minimum of 20 league games before his future is even considered.

It will be interesting to see if the new owners are patient people or crave instant success at all costs like so many on here.

Would you say the same thing if we lose our next 5 and have a couple of drubbings in there?

[WestYorksRoyal]

Anyone who wants him out now should be the ones going. Not the sort of fans who should be here. Just impatient, angry kneejerkers.

The opening games have been tough, we've lost a lot of our best players from last season and are bedding in new owners and a mostly new squad with an inexperienced manager.

Performances are disappointing, we're conceding too many poor goals. But the complaint a few weeks ago was we'd lost all our goals and can’t score. Our first three games we scored 1, our next four we've scored 6.

Hunt's started badly before, with people saying we wouldn't win another game, he's shit and he should go, and we finished 7th.

He's an ex player who's worked his way up through the coaching side in the Academy and did a great job under horrendous circumstances, and ungrateful pcunts have been talking about him not being good enough and getting sacked since about game 2 of the season.

Clubs who sack their manager this early are rightly ridiculed. Any manager, and Hunt more so, deserves 10 games to start the season before anyone even thinks about sacking, and then minimum five games under pressure to fix things. We're not even half way to the point sacking him should be considered an option.

What the oxf*rd does sacking him achieve? We still have the same squad. He's picking broadly the right team. Burns/Stickland will still make a couple of dangerous errors a game. Ahmed will still be a teenager learning ropes and having a few bad games. Improvements take time, shitting the bed about relegation is ridiculous at this point in the season. We're unlikely to be challenging for promotion this season whatever happens, although Orient won just 2 of their first 11 league games last year and Wellens still took them to 6th without being sacked.

So what's the rush even if Hunt doesn't prove good enough? There isn’t one. Just man babies throwing a tantrum because they didn't get what they wanted.

It's absolutely a no brainer he's going nowhere right now.

If we're still conceding a lot and with few points and wins in another 8 games, then it's time to start asking a question.

Sack every manager who starts badly or has an iffy run, and you’ll never have a good manager.

Spot on and agree with every word. I have genuinely been shocked that so many on here expected instant success after what the club, manager and players went through last season. We have had a lot of tough games at the start of the season, many new players to bed in and injuries have been a big concern but I have complete confidence that Hunt will take us to a mid table finish if he is just allowed to get on with the job. Then I would expect a push towards top 6 next season. I would like to see Hunt given a minimum of 20 league games before his future is even considered.

It will be interesting to see if the new owners are patient people or crave instant success at all costs like so many on here.

Would you say the same thing if we lose our next 5 and have a couple of drubbings in there?

I agree with him because if I simply don't see that happening. If it does, fair play I'm wrong.

[stealthpapes]

Hunt in

Think it’s been said on here before but I feel like it’s going to be a bit of a Selles first season start for us this year. (Hopefully not as bad) but I’m sure we will come out of it a stronger side. Paudie is clearly a big miss for us at the moment.

We have a new defence and a new front 3 and a set of tricky fixtures to start the season. I think we should have some more points on the board but not surprised by the slow start.

Under Selles even when we were shite there were games where performances weren't too bad like Posh at home, Cheltenham at home, away to Shrewsbury, Exeter away etc

Ruben gave up on his tactical vision in order to get results. He adopted a formation and plan that suited the players we had at the time. Noel, has coached the under 21s to play in the same way. The problem is that he doesn’t have the players to play a high line press with inverted forwards coupled to a tireless working striker. Noel is not playing in a way that suits the players he has. He will die on his hill if he will not adapt. Sacking Noel would be disastrous, given the fact that he has brought in his own players and any new manager would cast a critical eye over them and the squad. He will have until November to sort things out. No improvement at this point and even Redwood would get twitchy.

Bold 1: There was a great interview with Ruben about his tactical and coaching 'vision' and, based on that interview, that first line really isn't true. He adapted, sure, but he clearly explained the continuity and how the 'new' tactics kept the essential parts of his approach.

It's here: https://learning.coachesvoice.com/cv/ru ... s-reading/

So we arrived at a point in the season where we said: “We have the PPDA, the high-pressure statistics and all the transitions we need. We just need to make some adjustments to allow us to win.”

First, to be more compact. Second, more aggressive on the second ball, probably with extra players in that situation and at the same time. Sometimes the first pressure is not about winning the ball in the first, second or third movement. It is about modifying the kick from the goalkeeper or from the centre-back.

As soon as we identified those things and changed to a 4-3-3, we ended up having two or three players in the press. But now our back four and the three midfielders were always in place to win the second action.


There's a bit where he admits his initial plan just couldn't work in League 1.

That didn’t work, though, because of the specifics of League One, among some other factors.

Formations are always in line with principles and the idea, which in this case was to be a high-pressing, energetic team that could make quick transitions to attack. What we found was that there were some teams against whom we could not apply high pressure.

It is a remarkable interview, very open and very reflective.

Bold 2: Ain't that the truth! I can't think of anything worse right now. We've just recycled the whole squad. A new manager keeps us up and then we do it all over again.

So yeah, Hunt in. Because (a) we all know we had a tough start (b) it should improve as the team work together more and (c) cutting and running now would be a disaster.