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It's never easy but it could be that this season will turn out to be one of the easier years to get out of this division (no Birmingham nor Wrexham this time).
A shame that we will almost certainly have to wait till next season when it will surely be more difficult based on the clubs that will be relegated.

Feel Sheffield Wednesday won't be an automatic promotion challenger next season, unless their new owners decide to chuck a load of money into the club. They'll require at least a year of building before they'll be up there imo.

Think sides like Blackburn and Portsmouth would be similar to Huddersfield. Not sure about Norwich and Leicester, but feel they'd be more similar to Cardiff. All just depends on the financial capabilities of these clubs upon relegation, as the financial gap between the Championship and League One has widened a lot with this TV deal, and how much they need to rebuild their teams after relegation.


Cardiff didn’t have a player exodus at relegation so a lot would depend on whether these clubs would need to spend too much to fill the gaps they need to fill.


Saw the top ten highest paid players in League 1 yesterday and not surprisingly Cardiff dominated the chart, ridiculous amounts being paid out still

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Snowflake Royal » 09 Feb 2026 13:02

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Clyde1998 Leicester deducted six points for PSR breaches: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... y31xk1zx0o

Leaves them above the relegation zone on goal difference. They should be strong enough to stay up, but certainly keeps/puts them in the relegation picture. They appear to have turned into a complete mess of a club in the past few years.


About time they were caught up with. That shenanigans in the mid 00s, then more naughties and weaseling out of PL punishment.

Thoughts with Gary at this difficult time.

Looking good for Reading next season with league games against Sheff Wed, Norwich, Ox, Portsmouth Blackburn and now Leicester looking possible, all without even needing promotion too!

They seem to get in financial difficulties and get penalised at least once every decade, the dirty cheats.

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by bakerlou » 25 Feb 2026 16:56

Sheffs Wedders perhaps more likely to go to the wall, as the preferred bidders exit their takeover

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 04ed45e4jo

The Bord Group were also bankrolling the operating costs shortfall, so that comes to an end too, leaving Wednesday without a confirmed bidder and no-one covering the on-going losses.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 25 Feb 2026 20:09

Winston Biscuit Man Utd debt rises to £1.3 Billion :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4gq70yqv0do


How close to failing P&S rules are they?

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

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Winston Biscuit Man Utd debt rises to £1.3 Billion :shock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4gq70yqv0do

The size of the debt is fairly irrelevant, it's their ability to pay it off that matters. Based on the article, it doesn't seem like their servicing costs have risen much, although their revenues are down this season due to not being in Europe.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 26 Feb 2026 12:26

not quite sure how it all works, but with Sheffield Wednesdays prospective new owners pulling out, there is talk of them potentially being hit with another points deduction and so starting on -12 points next season as they are likely to still be in administration by that point

also saw something about players with relegation clauses being offered the chance to cancel their contracts now and leave for free so as to help the club save money and gives them a chance of playing for someone else before the season is up

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Stranded » 26 Feb 2026 12:38

Winston Biscuit not quite sure how it all works, but with Sheffield Wednesdays prospective new owners pulling out, there is talk of them potentially being hit with another points deduction and so starting on -12 points next season as they are likely to still be in administration by that point

also saw something about players with relegation clauses being offered the chance to cancel their contracts now and leave for free so as to help the club save money and gives them a chance of playing for someone else before the season is up


Unless they get special dispensation, they won't be able to play for anyone else this season if they leave as we are outside of a window so will be surprised if many take up that option unless they prefer not to play rather than play out a season for a relegated club.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

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Winston Biscuit not quite sure how it all works, but with Sheffield Wednesdays prospective new owners pulling out, there is talk of them potentially being hit with another points deduction and so starting on -12 points next season as they are likely to still be in administration by that point

also saw something about players with relegation clauses being offered the chance to cancel their contracts now and leave for free so as to help the club save money and gives them a chance of playing for someone else before the season is up


Unless they get special dispensation, they won't be able to play for anyone else this season if they leave as we are outside of a window so will be surprised if many take up that option unless they prefer not to play rather than play out a season for a relegated club.


Looking at their results this season "playing" is doing a lot of lifting

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 26 Feb 2026 14:59

Chelsea report a £342 Million loss for 24/25 :shock:

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Sutekh » 26 Feb 2026 15:05

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Winston Biscuit not quite sure how it all works, but with Sheffield Wednesdays prospective new owners pulling out, there is talk of them potentially being hit with another points deduction and so starting on -12 points next season as they are likely to still be in administration by that point

also saw something about players with relegation clauses being offered the chance to cancel their contracts now and leave for free so as to help the club save money and gives them a chance of playing for someone else before the season is up


Unless they get special dispensation, they won't be able to play for anyone else this season if they leave as we are outside of a window so will be surprised if many take up that option unless they prefer not to play rather than play out a season for a relegated club.


Would that mean an appeal to FIFA or can the FA rule on it?

Personally think that in special circumstances, such as what this would be, it should be granted automatically.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Clyde1998 » 26 Feb 2026 15:17

Winston Biscuit Chelsea report a £342 Million loss for 24/25 :shock:

Chelsea incurred highest pre-tax loss in English football history over 2024-25, per UEFA report (Chris Weatherspoon, The Athletic) Chelsea booked the highest pre-tax loss in English football history in the 2024-25 season, per data released by UEFA.

The European Club Finance and Investment Landscape report, issued annually by the governing body, includes the 10 clubs with the highest losses in a given season.

The west London side topped — or bottomed — that cohort last season, but it is the scale of Chelsea’s loss which stands out. In their third full season under the ownership of a consortium headed by Clearlake Capital and Todd Boehly, the club booked a €407million (£342m) pre-tax deficit.

Only Barcelona’s €555m loss in 2020-21 has ever exceeded that scale of deficit in European football, and that was a year impacted by both the Covid-19 pandemic and the return of Joan Laporta to the role of president, with the Catalan side subsequently choosing to record significant one-off costs in that financial year.

UEFA’s report does not provide full details of individual club finances, so the exact make-up of the record loss is unclear. When contacted by The Athletic, Chelsea did not respond to requests for comment.

Chelsea have carried significant operating losses in recent years, topping £200m in each of the three seasons before last, as declining revenues combined with significant cost increases.

One source with knowledge of the club’s dealings, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, offered that Chelsea’s huge loss last season was, like Barcelona’s before them, driven by significant non-cash, accounting entries. These, the source said, included player value write-offs (whereby Chelsea deemed the player’s book value unlikely to be recovered, and so impaired that value in their books), as well as other asset write-offs. The make-up of those assets is unknown.

Further, the source cited one-off cash items which negatively impacted Chelsea’s 2024-25 figures. Those included the €31million (£27m) fine levied by UEFA after Chelsea were found in breach of two of its financial rules last year.

The same source offered that the huge deficit was reflective of neither the club’s underlying operating performance nor how finances will look in the current and future seasons. The sentiment offered was that last season reflected a tidying up of historic issues, with several high-cost, one-off items booked into the same financial reporting period.

Getting a handle on Chelsea’s financial results in recent seasons has been made more difficult by the club engaging in transactions which land in the gaps between UEFA and the Premier League’s respective financial regulations.

The most high-profile of those included the internal sale of the club’s women’s team, and similar intragroup transactions covering two hotels and a car park.

But UEFA also applies more stringent rules when it comes to player trading. The governing body requires that clubs exclude deals which it deems akin to grossed up player swap deals, a category that Chelsea’s signing of Omari Kellyman from Aston Villa in June 2024, with Ian Maatsen going the other way, fell into.

Moreover, and like the Premier League this time, a rule change ahead of the 2023-24 season prevented clubs from spreading the cost of (amortising) a player’s transfer fee over a period longer than five years. Chelsea regularly sign players up to contracts longer than that, meaning there is a divergence between the amortisation figure — and thus the overall profit or loss figure — presented in their accounts and what is submitted to football’s governing bodies.

All of which is to say that Chelsea’s annual accounts may well show a different, lower loss than that detailed in the latest UEFA report. The latter, though, is the relevant figure for financial regulatory purposes on the European front.

So, will Chelsea face a punishment?

The huge 2024-25 deficit means Chelsea’s rolling three-year loss for UEFA purposes was €622m (£528m), an enormous sum and one which far exceeds the €60m loss limit imposed by UEFA’s Football Earnings rule, even after we deduct for allowable costs on youth teams and the likes. It should not, however, lead to greater penalties being imposed on the club.

As part of a settlement agreement entered into with UEFA last summer, it was agreed Chelsea’s 2024-25 Football Earnings deficit could be kept in line with “the projected deficit submitted in the business plan”. In other words, provided the loss remained at the level Chelsea signposted to and agreed with UEFA, the terms of the settlement agreement would be met. Sources say this was the case.

On the domestic front, The Athletic has previously estimated Chelsea could have lost £300million pre-tax in 2024-25 without breaching the Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules (PSR). The figure detailed here would exceed that but, as outlined, the loss presented for domestic PSR purposes could differ from the club’s UEFA submission. In any case, sources say Chelsea did not breach PSR in 2024-25, so whatever loss was included in their Premier League submission, while still clearly large, fell kept Chelsea within their three-year rolling loss limit.

That source mentioned above, speaking with knowledge of Chelsea’s affairs, told The Athletic the club is confident it is operating in line with the terms of the settlement agreement and other financial rules, citing improved underlying performance and, among other things, significant player sales. Chelsea raised around £300m from outgoing transfers last summer.

The same source offered the view that the large 2024-25 loss was not representative of Chelsea’s finances moving forward and is instead the end product of a period of business rationalisation. The expectation is that Chelsea will comply with financial rules both at home and abroad, aided by revenues which will grow this season, not least because of a return to Champions League football. The Athletic estimates Chelsea have already earned £80m in prize money from the competition.

Under the terms of that settlement agreement, Chelsea are limited to a Football Earnings loss of just €5m in the ongoing 2025-26 season. Increased revenues — commercial performance has and should continue to improve, especially now a front-of-shirt sponsor has been found — alongside those player sales will help the club towards that goal and, as mentioned, the expectation is Chelsea will be compliant.

Even so, costs plainly remain significant, with the latest UEFA report detailing a wages-to-revenue ratio of 76 per cent, a higher level than is usual at one of football’s ‘bigger’ clubs. That size is reflected in the £231m operating costs the report details at Chelsea last season.

Those and the club’s wage bill reported to UEFA combined for a total cost of around £605m, against revenue of just £491m — and that is before including the costs of amortising player transfer fees, which stood at £190m in 2023-24 and will be higher in UEFA submissions. While the record pre-tax loss was worsened by one-off items, Chelsea still ran a large operating loss last season.

A clearer view on the club’s 2024-25 finances will not be available until the club’s accounts are filed at the end of next month.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Winston Biscuit » 27 Feb 2026 14:05

Cardiff post a loss of £35M for the 24/25 season, with wages being 151% of their income, and an average player wage of £17,480

also, Cardiff are still currently trying to sue Nantes for the death of Emiliano Sala, and the amount they are suing for is £104M. in March 2025 Cardiff sold a percentage of any future proceeds they may win for this court case for £12M. wtf?!

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by Sutekh » 27 Feb 2026 15:45

Winston Biscuit Cardiff post a loss of £35M for the 24/25 season, with wages being 151% of their income, and an average player wage of £17,480

also, Cardiff are still currently trying to sue Nantes for the death of Emiliano Sala, and the amount they are suing for is £104M. in March 2025 Cardiff sold a percentage of any future proceeds they may win for this court case for £12M. wtf?!


They are going to be in very serious trouble, even after their inevitable promotion, if they don’t get that French court ruling in their favour on 30 March.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Clyde1998 » 27 Feb 2026 18:33

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Winston Biscuit Cardiff post a loss of £35M for the 24/25 season, with wages being 151% of their income, and an average player wage of £17,480

also, Cardiff are still currently trying to sue Nantes for the death of Emiliano Sala, and the amount they are suing for is £104M. in March 2025 Cardiff sold a percentage of any future proceeds they may win for this court case for £12M. wtf?!


They are going to be in very serious trouble, even after their inevitable promotion, if they don’t get that French court ruling in their favour on 30 March.

From December:
Ruling on Cardiff's Sala court case against Nantes due in March (BBC) A French court examining a dispute over footballer Emiliano Sala's death in a plane crash nearly seven years ago is to give its decision in March next year.

A commercial court in Nantes in western France said the decision on the dispute between Cardiff City Football Club and Football Club de Nantes would be made at a hearing on 30 March.

Cardiff City has claimed losses of more than 120m euros (£104m) in relation to Sala's death in January 2019, claiming the striker could have kept the club in the Premier League.

Just days before his death he had been announced as Cardiff's record signing after agreeing a £15m deal to join the then-Premier League side from Nantes.

Lawyers for both clubs made their cases at the hearing earlier.

Sala, a 28-year-old Argentine striker, died when the light aircraft taking him to Cardiff came down in the English Channel on 21 January 2019. Pilot David Ibbotson was also killed.

The Welsh club took the case to the Nantes commercial court in 2023 to claim compensation for loss of income and other damages suffered as a result of the player's death.

The club has argued that Nantes, through its intermediary, agent Willie McKay, was the organiser of the private flight on which Sala was travelling and that, if the transfer was effective at the time of the accident according to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), it is the organisation of this flight that is at issue.

Cardiff City's lawyer, Olivier Loizon, told the court Mr McKay "could not have been unaware of the illegality of the flight" and argued that the agent had acted with "negligence".

"Whatever the ultimate cause of the accident, [Sala] should not have been on the flight," he added.

Nantes' lawyer, Jerome Marsaudon, said the only agent authorised by the club in connection with the transfer was Mark McKay, the son of Willie McKay.

Willie McKay "was simply helping his son, given his extensive experience", he said.

"It is sad to see that Cardiff have exploited this tragedy and turned it into a genuine legal farce," Mr Marsaudon added.

"Nothing in this case justifies holding FC Nantes liable."

Cardiff City estimated its losses at more than 120m euros (£104m), following an analysis conducted by an expert appointed by the club.

Nantes disputed "the existence of any wrongdoing, a causal link between the hypothetical wrongdoing and the damages, and then the damages themselves", a representative of club president Waldemar Kita said before the hearing.

In another case related to the dispute between the two clubs, CAS ruled in 2022 that Sala's transfer had definitely been finalised at the time of his death.

In 2023, world football's governing body FIFA ordered Cardiff City to pay Nantes the balance of Sala's transfer fee, which at the time amounted to just over 11m euros out of a total of 17m euros.

Regardless of who was legally responsible here, I cannot see how the court will rule Cardiff lost €120m through Sala's death. There's no guarantee Cardiff would've stayed in the Premier League and any probabilities used are completely arbitrary when it comes to a legal stand point, as it's all going to be based on various assumptions.

If they do win the case, I'd be surprised if they got much beyond their transfer fee and legal costs in damages.

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