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'Ginger Ninja'

which CB was that ?

Gareth Davies

[Norfolk Royal]

Think we need to sign a CB regardless, but get Moore off the books and a decent fee for him £3m+ and that would probably fund two in fee and wages.

Seems reasonable.

I don't know why but CB seems to me the one position that while you can have super players like Sonko, the threshold seems a lot lower to be good. Looking through the years it seems with the exception of Ilori and Gravenberch and a few others generally CBs have been good. Going back to the days of Wdowczyk, through the days of Ginger Ninja, Barry Hunter, Pearce, Miazga, MOrrison, Mariappa, Kish, Primus, Mills, Adie, Sonko, Ingi etc etc the list is endless it just seems like it's quite an easy position to fill. Out of 10 signings chances are 8 will be good and you might get a couple of duds. Unlike, say, pretty much any other position which seems much more specialised and harder to get someone good.

So yeah, as much as I like Moore, if he's having flaps again and costs us a lot of wages yeah for sure get rid as it's not a hard position to fill as the Luton game demonstrated. Yeah sure in the PL you may need really top attributes but where we are anyone half decent will do.

Re the CB looking good scenario, I think that's probably because that position has a more easily defined role, ie defending, heading it away, clearances, tackles, and the odd goal from a set piece.

Even if the particular player is say, only good at two of those things, they can look good or better than other more mercurial players.

Say Moore attacks the ball and makes a great clearing header, you remember that moment and perhaps miss positional errors or poorer clearances. Similar to a striker having a stinker generally but scores the only goal of the game. It still looks good in the scorebook.

Agree with your general point.

[Millsy]

Think we need to sign a CB regardless, but get Moore off the books and a decent fee for him £3m+ and that would probably fund two in fee and wages.

Seems reasonable.

I don't know why but CB seems to me the one position that while you can have super players like Sonko, the threshold seems a lot lower to be good. Looking through the years it seems with the exception of Ilori and Gravenberch and a few others generally CBs have been good. Going back to the days of Wdowczyk, through the days of Ginger Ninja, Barry Hunter, Pearce, Miazga, MOrrison, Mariappa, Kish, Primus, Mills, Adie, Sonko, Ingi etc etc the list is endless it just seems like it's quite an easy position to fill. Out of 10 signings chances are 8 will be good and you might get a couple of duds. Unlike, say, pretty much any other position which seems much more specialised and harder to get someone good.

So yeah, as much as I like Moore, if he's having flaps again and costs us a lot of wages yeah for sure get rid as it's not a hard position to fill as the Luton game demonstrated. Yeah sure in the PL you may need really top attributes but where we are anyone half decent will do.

Just one small point an that last sentence. You know that not all teams in the Championship are that bad ?

Sure, I was mindful of that when I wrote it but my understanding is Luton's problems aren't scoring goals but letting them in. In fact their scoring record is within the ballpark of most teams outside the top six, and even more than some so it's reasonable to judge our defence against them. In fact any team that goes down to 2 or 3 goals is far more fired up to score generally so our defence did especially well.

Of course it may be a different story at the upper end, in a playoff final or in the PL.