VAR

[Sutekh]

Well it can only be a step up from the incompetents we get on VAR in this country. Already got one decision completely wrong and we haven’t even had the first full set of fixtures completed yet.

Like the sound of the change in the segunda division, perhaps they should introduce similar here in the FL divisions. Have to be generous with the limit on calls allowed given the standard of officials in the FL though.

[Sanguine]

Fair to say Alan Shearer is fed up with VAR.

https://x.com/RestIsFootball/status/1962432052092928394

And he's spot on, too.

[genome]

Could they put a timer on VAR decisions? Like a minute or so. And if they can't make their minds up within that time limit then it wasn't clear and obvious enough.

[Winston Biscuit]

Very light pen given in favour of Barcelona at the weekend. Couldn't check it on VAR though as it suddenly had a technical fault and could no longer be used in the match

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Could they put a timer on VAR decisions? Like a minute or so. And if they can't make their minds up within that time limit then it wasn't clear and obvious enough.

That. If you need endless replays in slow mo from different angles, then it's not a clear mistake

[Sutekh]

Just waiting now for VAR refs to be in the actual match referee’s ear throughout a game telling them what decisions to make, while making out to the rest of us they’re still only there for major incident checks.

[Sanguine]

VAR audio released for the decision at Chelsea. Referee got it 100% spot on in real time. Weak to change his mind.

https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1963155112244765116

[South Coast Royal]

VAR audio released for the decision at Chelsea. Referee got it 100% spot on in real time. Weak to change his mind.

https://x.com/SkySportsPL/status/1963155112244765116

It was suggested on the radio just now that a hierarchy applies for VAR decisions-presumably what they are saying is that if a more senior VAR ref has a different view from a ref like Rob Jones who is relatively junior then the junior ref won't stand his ground (as in the Chelsea game).

I only heard a bit of the discussion with a VAR "expert" but that is what I gleaned -maybe wrong and will let you as a junior overrule me if so. .

[Dirk Gently]

Just saying....

[Sutekh]

Oh dear, seems VAR is bringing the game into disrepute again, really think it should be banned as a result.

According to Sky Mike Riley has made a personal call to Liverpool to apologise for the VAR team failing take action over a possible penalty award to Liverpool in the Man City game after Salah was brought down. The VAR team didn’t direct referee Simon Hooper that they thought he had made an error and that he should review the incident on the pitchside monitor at the next break in play.

Just wish VAR wasn’t a thing as the continual foul ups that we see season after season are totally unacceptable.

Personally I’d prefer a return to the plain understandable human error of the match officials rather than any on field errors they may make being compounded by even more human error from people who have countless camera angles and countless camera speeds and computers to analyse incidents.

How many times must clubs be on the receiving end of these things, it’s not the first time Liverpool have been done and Man City have suffered a fair share as well. Saying it evens out as it must happen in a club’s favour too isn’t really an acceptable answer.

[BRO_BOT]

Why is VVD allowed to get away with more shizle than other players? Should've been sent off this weekend.

This isn't really a dig at VVD it seems that a couple of elite players get chosen for special treatment (Scholes used to get away with some horrific tackles, Messi can literally ref a game, etc).

[Winston Biscuit]

Championship has rejected the introduction of a version of VAR where managers would be given a number of appeals they could use to review something

[katweslowski]

I would really like a sinbin style thing now. I know it's often mentioned and is almost a cliche now, but yellow cards sometimes just aren't enough.

A great example, is a player deliberately tripping a player during a counter attack and charge towards the goal. They trip them or pull them down by the shirt at the half way line and get a yellow card. Even commentators say "he had no choice" and "took one for the team" - but as a fan, I detest that. It's anti-football and is cheating. It's not clever and shouldn't be tolerated.

There are other incidents too, where I think a 10 minute sending off would be justified

[Royal Rother]

Agreed, but of course it's so obviously right, logical, and easy to implement that it won't be done.

[Stranded]

I would really like a sinbin style thing now. I know it's often mentioned and is almost a cliche now, but yellow cards sometimes just aren't enough.

A great example, is a player deliberately tripping a player during a counter attack and charge towards the goal. They trip them or pull them down by the shirt at the half way line and get a yellow card. Even commentators say "he had no choice" and "took one for the team" - but as a fan, I detest that. It's anti-football and is cheating. It's not clever and shouldn't be tolerated.

There are other incidents too, where I think a 10 minute sending off would be justified

It won't come in as it is a rugby thing and FIFA seem to think that people who don't follow rugby won't understand the rule i.e. the 10 yard penalty for dissent at a freekick but I think it is worth bringing in.

The other rugby thing that has worked better than I thought is the 20 min red card, which could be used in football as well. If a player commits a non-violent foul that warrants a red card i.e. pulling a man back when through on goal - they get sent off but 20mins later they may bring on a substitute (unless they have used them all). Violent conduct or reckless play remains a permanent red (with no sub).

[Dirk Gently]

It won't come in as it is a rugby thing and FIFA seem to think that people who don't follow rugby won't understand the rule i.e. the 10 yard penalty for dissent at a freekick but I think it is worth bringing in.

One of the main reasons they didn't go ahead with this was that during the experiments they found out that it was generating deliberate intent from defending teams in order to get deliberate free-kicks moved forward from the optimum distance (a kicker needs enough distance to get the ball up over the wall and then down again). In rugby moving forward is always an advantage because it's all about territory - not so in football.

Even though it was suggested that they give the attacking team the option whether to move forward or not, that didn't stop the extra dissent and was a level of complexity they decided not to go ahead with.

[6ft Kerplunk]

It won't come in as it is a rugby thing and FIFA seem to think that people who don't follow rugby won't understand the rule i.e. the 10 yard penalty for dissent at a freekick but I think it is worth bringing in.

One of the main reasons they didn't go ahead with this was that during the experiments they found out that it was generating deliberate intent from defending teams in order to get deliberate free-kicks moved forward from the optimum distance (a kicker needs enough distance to get the ball up over the wall and then down again). In rugby moving forward is always an advantage because it's all about territory - not so in football.

Even though it was suggested that they give the attacking team the option whether to move forward or not, that didn't stop the extra dissent and was a level of complexity they decided not to go ahead with.

If the dissent happens within 25 yards of the goal award a penalty instead of moving the free kick forward.

[Winston Biscuit]

Just to say I read something interesting the other day about VAR in Japan, and the problems they have with VAR basically creating a 'loss of face' for a referee, and in Japanese culture that is a huge thing as it brings shame to people, so there is a reluctance for a referee to be shown as wrong. It's lead to the Japanese FA having to try and run PR campaigns around it to shape the public's perception on it, and to stop people thinking it's for catching referee decision as being wrong, and instead they want people to think its an extra referee tool that has been introduced, and he is empowered by this, and the ref is just free to use this new tool as and when he likes, and has some other referee friends there on his headset to help him with it!

[windermereROYAL]

Just to say I read something interesting the other day about VAR in Japan, and the problems they have with VAR basically creating a 'loss of face' for a referee, and in Japanese culture that is a huge thing as it brings shame to people, so there is a reluctance for a referee to be shown as wrong. It's lead to the Japanese FA having to try and run PR campaigns around it to shape the public's perception on it, and to stop people thinking it's for catching referee decision as being wrong, and instead they want people to think its an extra referee tool that has been introduced, and he is empowered by this, and the ref is just free to use this new tool as and when he likes, and has some other referee friends there on his headset to help him with it!

Similar to review systems in cricket tennis and rugby, getting to the correct decision is paramount, refs and umpires are human beings and human beings are prone to errors.
But Japan making mistakes is a disgrace on the family.

[BRO_BOT]

Not sure how Utd's second was allowed to stand. It was accidental, but not sure why that matters.