Speculation - Kevin Doyle

[Geekins]

Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

Which "one excellent season in the Championship" would that have been? The one where he scored 18 goals or the other one where he scored 18 goals?

The last half of the season where we couldn't win at home and he's a striker doesn't exactly say he had a great season. All we needed was ONE win and we would've gone up automatically. I know not just him but if you play up top, you're the one everyone expects to score.

[Tinrib]

The rhodes comparison doesn't work. Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

How many times have you seen Rhodes play?

Being more excited about the signing does not = him being a better player. I'm with you, I'd probably rather we signed Rhodes because he's clearly got real potential.

BUT

For now anyone who even tries to claim that a guy who's scored goals at L1 level is better than someone with 5 years premiership experience; won the Wolves' player of the season award in their first season in the top flight, playing a huge part in keeping them up; and with 46 international caps is (IMHO) severely misguided.

So whose the better player between say Shuan Wright Phillips & Alex Oxlade - Chamberlain? The one with years of PL experience or the one whose come up from L1?

i know who I'd chose

[Geekins]

The rhodes comparison doesn't work. Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

How many times have you seen Rhodes play?

Being more excited about the signing does not = him being a better player. I'm with you, I'd probably rather we signed Rhodes because he's clearly got real potential.

BUT

For now anyone who even tries to claim that a guy who's scored goals at L1 level is better than someone with 5 years premiership experience; won the Wolves' player of the season award in their first season in the top flight, playing a huge part in keeping them up; and with 46 international caps is (IMHO) severely misguided.

I think we're getting a bit confused. My Defoe>>>Doyle etc. was based on the transfer fee as well as who i prefer. My main sticking point (as with most on this thread is Doyle is not worth £5m. If as TBM says it's £3m plus incentives then i think it's worth a gamble. If Doyle comes here cheaper then i think he's the better option. I said earlier i'm a massive Doyle fan.

[winchester_royal]

The rhodes comparison doesn't work. Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

How many times have you seen Rhodes play?

Being more excited about the signing does not = him being a better player. I'm with you, I'd probably rather we signed Rhodes because he's clearly got real potential.

BUT

For now anyone who even tries to claim that a guy who's scored goals at L1 level is better than someone with 5 years premiership experience; won the Wolves' player of the season award in their first season in the top flight, playing a huge part in keeping them up; and with 46 international caps is (IMHO) severely misguided.

So whose the better player between say Shuan Wright Phillips & Alex Oxlade - Chamberlain? The one with years of PL experience or the one whose come up from L1?

i know who I'd chose

Oxlade-Chamberlain has proven himself at premiership level now, rubbish comparison. What's more, Arsenal paid >12m for him at the age of 17, are we really going to compare him with a guy who was let go by Ipswich?

What's more, if you'd have asked most fans who they would rather have had feature in their starting line-up for most games at the start of this season then they would probably have chosen SWP, an England international proven at Premiership level over a guy who'd played one season for Southampton at L1. Even Wenger admits he's been amazed at AOC's progress. He's the exception, not the rule.

Lets put it another way, many Huddersfield fans believe Morrison has been their player of the season. Who would rather start for us in August... Sean Morrison or Michael Dawson?

[winchester_royal]

The rhodes comparison doesn't work. Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

How many times have you seen Rhodes play?

Being more excited about the signing does not = him being a better player. I'm with you, I'd probably rather we signed Rhodes because he's clearly got real potential.

BUT

For now anyone who even tries to claim that a guy who's scored goals at L1 level is better than someone with 5 years premiership experience; won the Wolves' player of the season award in their first season in the top flight, playing a huge part in keeping them up; and with 46 international caps is (IMHO) severely misguided.

I think we're getting a bit confused. My Defoe>>>Doyle etc. was based on the transfer fee as well as who i prefer. My main sticking point (as with most on this thread is Doyle is not worth £5m. If as TBM says it's £3m plus incentives then i think it's worth a gamble. If Doyle comes here cheaper then i think he's the better option. I said earlier i'm a massive Doyle fan.

You think Rhodes is worth £5m?

[BR2]

During the TV broadcast of the game when Wolves were relegated the pundits started talking about which players Premier League clubs might want.
The only 3 were Doyle,Jarvis and Fletcher.
I agree with the pundits and wouldn't mind any of them here.

[Geekins]

You think Rhodes is worth £5m?

No, hence why people are saying around 3-4m for him. I'm stopping this conversation with you now, all you seem to do is want to pick up little things i've said when the majority are saying the same thing but not expanded it.

Summary
Doyle not worth £5m. I'd rather have Rhodes than pay that.

[Vision]

Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

Which "one excellent season in the Championship" would that have been? The one where he scored 18 goals or the other one where he scored 18 goals?

The last half of the season where we couldn't win at home and he's a striker doesn't exactly say he had a great season. All we needed was ONE win and we would've gone up automatically. I know not just him but if you play up top, you're the one everyone expects to score.

You're the one who said strikers are judged on goals here.

He may work hard and in the channels etc. but strikers are judged on goals.

I'm merely pointing out the the crass stupidity of that statement being an absolute. He scored the same amount of goals over both his championship seasons so using your logic his contribution was the same in both.

[winchester_royal]

You think Rhodes is worth £5m?

No, hence why people are saying around 3-4m for him. I'm stopping this conversation with you now, all you seem to do is want to pick up little things i've said when the majority are saying the same thing but not expanded it.

Summary
Doyle not worth £5m. I'd rather have Rhodes than pay that.

The rhodes comparison doesn't work. Doyle had one excellent season in the Championship until he made the step up to the PL. L1 is better than the Irish leagues where Doyle came from. Doyle to Arsenal, just speculation like Defoe to us... really never going to happen!

If he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

I hope you can understand my confusion, it seemed to me as if you were saying Rhodes is a better player than Doyle.

So to sum up your argument...

Doyle for 3m>Rhodes 3m>Doyle 5m>Rhodes 5m?

I could probably get on board with that.

[HoneyRoastHoax]

I'm merely pointing out the the crass stupidity of that statement being an absolute. He scored the same amount of goals over both his championship seasons so using your logic his contribution was the same in both.

I like the word crass

[Geekins]

What?!? If anything then i wouldn't pay £5m for either of them. Never have i said Rhodes is worth £5m, you've brought that into the conversation.

FTR Doyle£3m>Rhodes£3-4m

[Hoop Blah]

How many of those posters slagging off or belittling Doyles ability would've said the same thing about Roberts 6 months ago?

If he's still got the legs and the hunger then I'd still take Doyle over any of our current forwards and his performances for Wolves, although not great, are still better than those that Roberts had put in for Blackburn during his last 12 months or so there.

A change in environment might just be what Doyle needs and I'm sure McDermott would be more than capable of getting him back on track if he thought he'd offer the team something more than the other options available to us.

[Geekins]

I'm merely pointing out the the crass stupidity of that statement being an absolute. He scored the same amount of goals over both his championship seasons so using your logic his contribution was the same in both.

I like the word crass

Missing the point anyway. I was on about Doyle only playing one season of Championship football and excelled in the PL. We were discussing Rhodes having 2 good years in L1 and nothing else. Doyle in Championship season after doesn't come into then.

[Pepe the Horseman]

[winchester_royal]

What?!? If anything then i wouldn't pay £5m for either of them. Never have i said Rhodes is worth £5m, you've brought that into the conversation.

FTR Doyle£3m>Rhodes£3-4m

Jeezy H Christ

I was merely wondering if your argument was that if they were the same price then you'd rather we brought in Doyle than Rhodes.

I'm glad to see that you do think that.

[Tinrib]

[quote="winchester_royalIf he comes here then good luck to him but i think fresh blood would be more exciting and also wanting to prove he can make it. Still Rhodes >>>Doyle for me.

How many times have you seen Rhodes play?

Being more excited about the signing does not = him being a better player. I'm with you, I'd probably rather we signed Rhodes because he's clearly got real potential.

BUT

For now anyone who even tries to claim that a guy who's scored goals at L1 level is better than someone with 5 years premiership experience; won the Wolves' player of the season award in their first season in the top flight, playing a huge part in keeping them up; and with 46 international caps is (IMHO) severely misguided.

So whose the better player between say Shuan Wright Phillips & Alex Oxlade - Chamberlain? The one with years of PL experience or the one whose come up from L1?

i know who I'd chose[/quote]



Oxlade-Chamberlain has proven himself at premiership level now, rubbish comparison. What's more, Arsenal paid >12m for him at the age of 17, are we really going to compare him with a guy who was let go by Ipswich?

What's more, if you'd have asked most fans who they would rather have had feature in their starting line-up for most games at the start of this season then they would probably have chosen SWP, an England international proven at Premiership level over a guy who'd played one season for Southampton at L1. Even Wenger admits he's been amazed at AOC's progress. He's the exception, not the rule.

Lets put it another way, many Huddersfield fans believe Morrison has been their player of the season. Who would rather start for us in August... Sean Morrison or Michael Dawson?[/quote]

So you agree then that being a Prem League player doesn't make you a better player than a L1 player with bags of potential?

[pea]

I'm merely pointing out the the crass stupidity of that statement being an absolute. He scored the same amount of goals over both his championship seasons so using your logic his contribution was the same in both.

I like the word crass

I really value your contributions to this forum

[HoneyRoastHoax]

Its a word that is not used enough.

[Geekins]

What?!? If anything then i wouldn't pay £5m for either of them. Never have i said Rhodes is worth £5m, you've brought that into the conversation.

FTR Doyle£3m>Rhodes£3-4m

Jeezy H Christ

I was merely wondering if your argument was that if they were the same price then you'd rather we brought in Doyle than Rhodes.

I'm glad to see that you do think that.

My bias might be that once on football manager i paid over the odds and it didn't work out!

[Z175]

I think the problem with Rhodes is the huge fee he will command. Thus making it a big risk.

Le Fondre was easy, in that you can make the arguments about stepping up for a few 100k, and while that was also up two divisions, I think the Championship is closer to League Two than the Premier League is to League One.

We know League One very well - Martin Butler and Jamie Cureton didn't quite get as many as Rhodes has, but they weren't far off. Would anyone have thought they'd be Premier League players the following season? Frankly Cureton might have been had he got a chance like Danny Graham did. But you just don't know - and you can't pay £5m for that.

Unless you have been a Chief Scout for a decade and watched more football matches than anyone else put together...

But from my armchair, for a similar price, I'd go with the guy at his peak and with a stellar record, who you absolutely know will give everything not to let you down.