Brian: The right decision?

[melonhead]

What is it with all this fuss of Mcd he has gone good riddance to the hoof ball king, thank the lord he went when he did sooner would have suited me

Wow from hoof ball to the most turgid and boring performance of recent years on Saturday. How things have improved.

Still unbeaten at home cant have your cake and eat it

then what is the oxf*rd point of cake

[Cureton's Volley]

My colleague (Leeds fan) has highlighted this:

http://footballburp.com/updates/brian-mcdermott-buys-drinks-for-leeds-fans-in-slovenia/

Classic Brian!

[Bandini]

Atkins has never once bought me a drink.

[John Peel]

How is a Leeds win for football? Anyone who likes a hoofball isn't a fan of football IMHO. If you don't like Adkins' style of play, feel free to go and watch someone else.

We had the chance to create a proper footballing side under Rodgers and we made the mistake of sacking him. We've now got someone who, in time, will create a very good footballing side capable of challenging for the top flight. Under Brian we only had the latter. Love the guy, he is a Reading legend, but I prefer who we've got now. That's just my opinion. Same for everyone else on here. But calling for a Leeds win isn't an opinion, it's just ridiculous - because it will make little difference to our situation. Apart from put us further behind the leaders of course.

[Harrydog]

1,000,000% concur

[melonhead]

How is a Leeds win for football? Anyone who likes a hoofball isn't a fan of football IMHO. If you don't like Adkins' style of play, feel free to go and watch someone else.

We had the chance to create a proper footballing side under Rodgers and we made the mistake of sacking him. We've now got someone who, in time, will create a very good footballing side capable of challenging for the top flight. Under Brian we only had the latter. Love the guy, he is a Reading legend, but I prefer who we've got now. That's just my opinion. Same for everyone else on here. But calling for a Leeds win isn't an opinion, it's just ridiculous - because it will make little difference to our situation. Apart from put us further behind the leaders of course.

jeezus fooking christ on a bike


stating its just your opinion, while slagging anyone off who doesnt agree, and telling them to support someone else


LOL

[sandman]

How is a Leeds win for football? Anyone who likes a hoofball isn't a fan of football IMHO. If you don't like Adkins' style of play, feel free to go and watch someone else.

We had the chance to create a proper footballing side under Rodgers and we made the mistake of sacking him. We've now got someone who, in time, will create a very good footballing side capable of challenging for the top flight. Under Brian we only had the latter. Love the guy, he is a Reading legend, but I prefer who we've got now. That's just my opinion. Same for everyone else on here. But calling for a Leeds win isn't an opinion, it's just ridiculous - because it will make little difference to our situation. Apart from put us further behind the leaders of course.

"We only had the latter" so you're telling us when we had Gylfi and Long in the side that we weren't capable of being a good footballing side? Fact is our best players were sold season after season and we had to change formation and style because what we were able to get in just weren't of the same quality. Does no one remember when Gylfi left we actually tried keeping the formation we had developed the previous season and couldn't because the players left and that we could afford to bring in couldn't play behind the striker?

[John Peel]

jeezus fooking christ on a bike


stating its just your opinion, while slagging anyone off who doesnt agree, and telling them to support someone else


LOL

I think you're missing the point. Or maybe you just don't want to consider what I've said. I'm just saying that to me it seems ridiculous to want the other side to win for all the aforementioned reasons. And I say it's just my opinion, because I can admit it's not fact. I'm just getting wound up by a number of comments tonight (what's new! It's like watching f*cking Question Time half the time coming on here).

[Bandini]

But if Leeds win it's more likely that Brian comes back, and if Brian comes back it's more likely that we get promoted.

Why don't you want us to get promoted?

[John Peel]

Sandman, not saying we weren't capable of being a 'footballing' (by my definition) side with Gylfi and Long. Brian chose a different style though and played/bought people suited to that style.

[melonhead]

jeezus fooking christ on a bike


stating its just your opinion, while slagging anyone off who doesnt agree, and telling them to support someone else


LOL

I think you're missing the point. Or maybe you just don't want to consider what I've said. I'm just saying that to me it seems ridiculous to want the other side to win for all the aforementioned reasons. And I say it's just my opinion, because I can admit it's not fact. I'm just getting wound up by a number of comments tonight (what's new! It's like watching f*cking Question Time half the time coming on here).

that was one of the points. yes.
the only one i agreed with

[melonhead]

Sandman, not saying we weren't capable of being a 'footballing' (by my definition) side with Gylfi and Long. Brian chose a different style though and played/bought people suited to that style.

dont think he had much choice.
he bought the players he could afford, and played the style most likely to win games with those players
pretty sensible really

[Nameless]

How is a Leeds win for football? Anyone who likes a hoofball isn't a fan of football IMHO. If you don't like Adkins' style of play, feel free to go and watch someone else.

The person who made that comment is a WUM who does follow a different team. He watches them avidly. Mainly on Sky I believe.

[Nameless]

Would love a Leeds win tonight. For football and for McDermott.

You want sectioning, something not a little bit right in the head dept

Would be nice after he was so harshly sacked by Reading after all he did for the club.

You don't sack / not sack people based on history.

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

[P!ssed Off]

You don't sack / not sack people based on history.

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

First sensible thing you've said on the board.

[Nameless]

You don't sack / not sack people based on history.

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

First sensible thing you've said on the board.

Sorry, moment of madness.

[Cureton's Volley]

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

The point of sacking the manager was to bring in a replacement who had a better chance of doing well the following season. However, it was clear that after doing so the establishment didn't have a clear candidate in mind, and to go after Poyet was frankly laughable. Nige came in, but in all honesty we would be better off this season with Brian. Feel free to disagree, but the fact he is 2 points above us with a team with less quality (and wages) says it all.

[P!ssed Off]

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

The point of sacking the manager was to bring in a replacement who had a better chance of doing well the following season. However, it was clear that after doing so the establishment didn't have a clear candidate in mind, and to go after Poyet was frankly laughable. Nige came in, but in all honesty we would be better off this season with Brian. Feel free to disagree, but the fact he is 2 points above us with a team with less quality (and wages) says it all.

IMO, change is sometimes necessary, even if the replacement is of a similar quality.

Let's face it: we weren't unlucky to go down, it wasn't a close run thing.
When we went down with Coppell it was a close run thing, and we were a bit unlucky. We also players of a higher quality i.e. we didn't need to over rely on team spirit the following season.

To summarise:
IMO it is only feasible for a manager to continue after relegation if 2 conditions are satisfied:
1. Relegation was a close run thing.
2. Squad has enough quality to win the league the next season.

Don't think we satisfy either of these conditions.

[Man Friday]

Let's face it: we weren't unlucky to go down, it wasn't a close run thing. YOU'RE RIGHT IT WASN'T...AFTER NA HAD BEEN AT THE HELM FOR 9 MATCHES. WHEN McD LEFT WE WERE THIRD FROM BOTTOM AND ONLY 4 POINTS ADRIFT.
When we went down with Coppell it was a close run thing, and we were a bit unlucky. We also players of a higher quality i.e. we didn't need to over rely on team spirit the following season.

To summarise:
IMO it is only feasible for a manager to continue after relegation if 2 conditions are satisfied:
1. Relegation was a close run thing.
2. Squad has enough quality to win the league the next season. THE SQUAD DID HAVE ENOUGH QUALITY TO GET BACK UP AGAIN AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED UNDER McD AND NEXT TIME ROUND HE'D HAVE LEARNT HIS LESSONS, BOUGHT BETTER PLAYERS FOR THE PL (IF THE MONEY HAD BEEN MADE AVAILABLE - it now appears that it wasn't available the first time round despite Anton's initial assertions) AND NEXT TIME ROUND THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT ROSIER. SINCE THEN, HOWEVER, OUR SQUAD IS WEAKER AS OUR BEST PLAYERS HAVE LEFT AND WE'VE GOT UNFIT, UNRELIABLE HAS-BEENS LIKE DRENTHE.

Don't think we satisfy either of these conditions.

[AirRaidSiren]

Some clubs have sacked managers immediately after winning trophies, which is rather different to sacking them after they have struggled for 6 months to win games, or even compete.

The point of sacking the manager was to bring in a replacement who had a better chance of doing well the following season. However, it was clear that after doing so the establishment didn't have a clear candidate in mind, and to go after Poyet was frankly laughable. Nige came in, but in all honesty we would be better off this season with Brian. Feel free to disagree, but the fact he is 2 points above us with a team with less quality (and wages) says it all.

6 games in? With Leeds winning one game more and us drawing that game and a goal difference between the two teams being just one, you're talking as if we're more than half way into the season. It doesn't say it all. It says nothing at this very early stage of the season.

You're also contradicting yourself:-

"The point of sacking the manager was to bring in a replacement who had a better chance of doing well the following season."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a Championship season 46 games? You can't assume he will not do well this SEASON with 6 games just played.