I find it strange people who are seemingly smart think people who have openly and repeatedly criticised the club about the way it was handled think they do.Orion1871 wrote:I find it strange how people who constantly criticise the owner for his running of the club believe his account of Liam, seemingly without question.Hendo wrote:We're all for it, etc...
But seriously I do think that is a bit of an odd stance to take. He was clearly our best CB on Saturday.
Why is it again that you hate him so much? Would you not cheer if he scores a last minute winner v Blackburn?
I just can't get over people booing our own players, especially when none of us really know what has or hasn't happened.
It's not a hard concept, even if you don’t agree with it. Which is fine.YorkshireRoyal99 wrote:Yeah I still don't understand how people criticise Moore for the owner giving him a lucrative deal. We either had the choice to give him his demands (we did), or sell him to Brighton. We didn't have to give him the deal, we could have sold for £10m (ish) and moved forward from there.
But at the moment I'd have him, Holmes and Mbengue as our 3 CB's, to me they have the best balance out of all the defenders we could have, although understand why Sarr's height might be an asset depending on who we play.
As people have said, he's leaving in June unless he earns himself a contract here on far more reasonable terms. If not, he moves on. Got no issues with him, I still don't understand why the club painted him in such bad light just for wanting to progress his career, big deal.
The one party at fault was the owners, no real other way of looking at it. The player wanted what he was worth at the time, which in fairness he probably was because he had a fantastic season previously and wanted PL wages. He hasn't justified that since which is his fault, but we are looking at it at a moment in time, not what has happened since because that's not really relevant to the offer at the time.Snowflake Royal wrote:It's not a hard concept, even if you don’t agree with it. Which is fine.YorkshireRoyal99 wrote:Yeah I still don't understand how people criticise Moore for the owner giving him a lucrative deal. We either had the choice to give him his demands (we did), or sell him to Brighton. We didn't have to give him the deal, we could have sold for £10m (ish) and moved forward from there.
But at the moment I'd have him, Holmes and Mbengue as our 3 CB's, to me they have the best balance out of all the defenders we could have, although understand why Sarr's height might be an asset depending on who we play.
As people have said, he's leaving in June unless he earns himself a contract here on far more reasonable terms. If not, he moves on. Got no issues with him, I still don't understand why the club painted him in such bad light just for wanting to progress his career, big deal.
The problem you seem to have is thinking only one party can be at fault, when it's possible for multiple partues to be simultaneously at fault.
Moore put pressure on the club for an improved deal and what he got will have been what would keep him happy and not agitating or downing tools. The fact it was idiotic to agree doesn’t mean, in my opinion that he wasn't part of the problem. It takes two to sign a contract, and I don’t respect any player that thinks its ok to sign a contract that sees them paid at least double the majority of their teammates when they aren't much, if at all better.
Add that to the fact he's got worse and worse from when he's joined.
Mr Angry wrote:If we can have a shot on target, even a mis-hit cross, that would be progress.
How much of a pay cut are you willing to take for parity with your work colleagues?Snowflake Royal wrote:It's not a hard concept, even if you don’t agree with it. Which is fine.YorkshireRoyal99 wrote:Yeah I still don't understand how people criticise Moore for the owner giving him a lucrative deal. We either had the choice to give him his demands (we did), or sell him to Brighton. We didn't have to give him the deal, we could have sold for £10m (ish) and moved forward from there.
But at the moment I'd have him, Holmes and Mbengue as our 3 CB's, to me they have the best balance out of all the defenders we could have, although understand why Sarr's height might be an asset depending on who we play.
As people have said, he's leaving in June unless he earns himself a contract here on far more reasonable terms. If not, he moves on. Got no issues with him, I still don't understand why the club painted him in such bad light just for wanting to progress his career, big deal.
The problem you seem to have is thinking only one party can be at fault, when it's possible for multiple partues to be simultaneously at fault.
Moore put pressure on the club for an improved deal and what he got will have been what would keep him happy and not agitating or downing tools. The fact it was idiotic to agree doesn’t mean, in my opinion that he wasn't part of the problem. It takes two to sign a contract, and I don’t respect any player that thinks its ok to sign a contract that sees them paid at least double the majority of their teammates when they aren't much, if at all better.
Add that to the fact he's got worse and worse from when he's joined.
A fair bitUke wrote:How much of a pay cut are you willing to take for parity with your work colleagues?Snowflake Royal wrote:It's not a hard concept, even if you don’t agree with it. Which is fine.YorkshireRoyal99 wrote:Yeah I still don't understand how people criticise Moore for the owner giving him a lucrative deal. We either had the choice to give him his demands (we did), or sell him to Brighton. We didn't have to give him the deal, we could have sold for £10m (ish) and moved forward from there.
But at the moment I'd have him, Holmes and Mbengue as our 3 CB's, to me they have the best balance out of all the defenders we could have, although understand why Sarr's height might be an asset depending on who we play.
As people have said, he's leaving in June unless he earns himself a contract here on far more reasonable terms. If not, he moves on. Got no issues with him, I still don't understand why the club painted him in such bad light just for wanting to progress his career, big deal.
The problem you seem to have is thinking only one party can be at fault, when it's possible for multiple partues to be simultaneously at fault.
Moore put pressure on the club for an improved deal and what he got will have been what would keep him happy and not agitating or downing tools. The fact it was idiotic to agree doesn’t mean, in my opinion that he wasn't part of the problem. It takes two to sign a contract, and I don’t respect any player that thinks its ok to sign a contract that sees them paid at least double the majority of their teammates when they aren't much, if at all better.
Add that to the fact he's got worse and worse from when he's joined.
If your employer offered you twice as much for doing the same job, would you turn it down?
And in the real world?Snowflake Royal wrote:A fair bitUke wrote:How much of a pay cut are you willing to take for parity with your work colleagues?Snowflake Royal wrote: It's not a hard concept, even if you don’t agree with it. Which is fine.
The problem you seem to have is thinking only one party can be at fault, when it's possible for multiple partues to be simultaneously at fault.
Moore put pressure on the club for an improved deal and what he got will have been what would keep him happy and not agitating or downing tools. The fact it was idiotic to agree doesn’t mean, in my opinion that he wasn't part of the problem. It takes two to sign a contract, and I don’t respect any player that thinks its ok to sign a contract that sees them paid at least double the majority of their teammates when they aren't much, if at all better.
Add that to the fact he's got worse and worse from when he's joined.
If your employer offered you twice as much for doing the same job, would you turn it down?
Yes, if they weren't offering the same to my peers. Actually, yes regardless. I'm paid ok. There's no way anyone should earn double for what I do. There's not many, imo, who should earn double what I do fullstop.
But then no employer is going to massively increase my salary without me at least asking them to.
Yes. In the real world. Truth and fact are not dependent on your belief.Uke wrote:And in the real world?Snowflake Royal wrote:A fair bitUke wrote:
How much of a pay cut are you willing to take for parity with your work colleagues?
If your employer offered you twice as much for doing the same job, would you turn it down?
Yes, if they weren't offering the same to my peers. Actually, yes regardless. I'm paid ok. There's no way anyone should earn double for what I do. There's not many, imo, who should earn double what I do fullstop.
But then no employer is going to massively increase my salary without me at least asking them to.
You do know why employers don’t like staff discussing salaries?
Not all companies have rigid pay structures
Stranded wrote:Mr Angry wrote:If we can cross the half way line in possession of the ball, that would be progress.
Stranded wrote:Mr Angry wrote:If we can a throw in that would be progress.
3 away wins but basically the same thing.Cuppliance wrote:I am primarily a Blackburn fan (I do have a major soft spot for Reading so I come on here to keep up with the goings on). Let me tell you, this is the perfect game for Rovers to lose.
Against a team that is out of form
Former manager
A striker that always scores against us (Lucas Joau)
Against a team with no away wins so far this season
Against a team with no goal in a long time
Midweek game
Tickets are £10 and its just too much of a good opportunity to take to get a win in front of a bigger than normal crowd.
Call me cynical but I've seen it too many times as a Rovers fan and I'm predicting a Reading win.
I'm not a betting man but I'm willing to put a bet on that tonight.
Obviously I want to be really wrong but that's what my head is saying.
Either way, I hope everyone enjoys the game tonight.
I always hate games where you're the resounding favourites because it always feels like a massive banana skin, especially at this stage of the season.Cuppliance wrote:I am primarily a Blackburn fan (I do have a major soft spot for Reading so I come on here to keep up with the goings on). Let me tell you, this is the perfect game for Rovers to lose.
Against a team that is out of form
Former manager
A striker that always scores against us (Lucas Joau)
Against a team with no away wins so far this season
Against a team with no goal in a long time
Midweek game
Tickets are £10 and its just too much of a good opportunity to take to get a win in front of a bigger than normal crowd.
Call me cynical but I've seen it too many times as a Rovers fan and I'm predicting a Reading win.
I'm not a betting man but I'm willing to put a bet on that tonight.
Obviously I want to be really wrong but that's what my head is saying.
Either way, I hope everyone enjoys the game tonight.
jesusSnowflake Royal wrote:Yes. In the real world. Truth and fact are not dependent on your belief.Uke wrote:And in the real world?Snowflake Royal wrote: A fair bit
Yes, if they weren't offering the same to my peers. Actually, yes regardless. I'm paid ok. There's no way anyone should earn double for what I do. There's not many, imo, who should earn double what I do fullstop.
But then no employer is going to massively increase my salary without me at least asking them to.
You do know why employers don’t like staff discussing salaries?
Not all companies have rigid pay structures
SouthDownsRoyal wrote:Stranded wrote:Mr Angry wrote:If we can get the ball in the opponents penalty area at the same time as a Reading player that would be progress.
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